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Subject: Re: Tiger against Deep Blue Junior: what really happened.

Author: Tony Werten

Date: 05:20:26 07/26/00

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On July 26, 2000 at 01:35:40, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On July 25, 2000 at 19:45:11, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>
>>On July 25, 2000 at 17:29:34, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>
>>>On July 25, 2000 at 16:54:39, Alvaro Polo wrote:
>>
>>>>I worked for IBM as a scientist at the IBM Scientific Center in Madrid. I would
>>>>very much more trust Hsu's number than "official IBM" numbers. PR's and
>>>>marketers at IBM are not stupid people (my father was a country general manager
>>>>there), they are on the contrary very intelligent, but they don't care that much
>>>>about scientific exactness in documents directed to the general public. They
>>>>probably wouldn't understand very well, for example, why the difference between
>>>>256 and 480 processors is significant.
>>>>
>>>>Alvaro
>>>
>>>With all respect to your opinion I believe that P/R people very well
>>>understand the value of numbers. If they don't they would do a very
>>>poor job which I find hard to believe.
>>>
>>>Ed
>>
>>That was quite a statement from Alvaro. :)
>>
>>In any case, DB2 had 480 chess processors, not 256.
>>
>>Dave
>
>Sigh. From the IBM pages again:
>
>    "The latest iteration of the Deep Blue computer is a 32-node
>     IBM RS/6000 SP high-performance computer, which
>     utilizes the new Power Two Super Chip processors
>     (P2SC). Each node of the SP employs a single
>     microchannel card containing 8 dedicated VLSI chess
>     processors, for a total of 256 processors working in
>     tandem. The net result is a scalable, highly parallel system
>     capable of calculating 60 billion moves within three minutes,

These numbers are strange. 20 Lines above they state that they can search a
maximum of 200M/s. Maybe not so scientificly correct.


>     which is the time allotted to each player's move in classical
>     chess."
>
>It says 256 processors. The URL:
>
>http://www.research.ibm.com/deepblue/meet/html/d.3.2.html
>
>Then look at the logo, it says the re-match. So 256 processors.

If they think 200M/s is the same as 60B/3 min, then 256 is exactly the same as
480.

Tony

>
>Ed



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