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Subject: Re: Tiger against Deep Blue Junior: what really happened.

Author: Chris Carson

Date: 09:01:40 07/26/00

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On July 26, 2000 at 11:48:25, Albert Silver wrote:

>On July 26, 2000 at 01:35:40, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>On July 25, 2000 at 19:45:11, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>
>>>On July 25, 2000 at 17:29:34, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 25, 2000 at 16:54:39, Alvaro Polo wrote:
>>>
>>>>>I worked for IBM as a scientist at the IBM Scientific Center in Madrid. I would
>>>>>very much more trust Hsu's number than "official IBM" numbers. PR's and
>>>>>marketers at IBM are not stupid people (my father was a country general manager
>>>>>there), they are on the contrary very intelligent, but they don't care that much
>>>>>about scientific exactness in documents directed to the general public. They
>>>>>probably wouldn't understand very well, for example, why the difference between
>>>>>256 and 480 processors is significant.
>>>>>
>>>>>Alvaro
>>>>
>>>>With all respect to your opinion I believe that P/R people very well
>>>>understand the value of numbers. If they don't they would do a very
>>>>poor job which I find hard to believe.
>>>>
>>>>Ed
>>>
>>>That was quite a statement from Alvaro. :)
>>>
>>>In any case, DB2 had 480 chess processors, not 256.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>
>>Sigh. From the IBM pages again:
>>
>>    "The latest iteration of the Deep Blue computer is a 32-node
>>     IBM RS/6000 SP high-performance computer, which
>>     utilizes the new Power Two Super Chip processors
>>     (P2SC). Each node of the SP employs a single
>>     microchannel card containing 8 dedicated VLSI chess
>>     processors, for a total of 256 processors working in
>>     tandem. The net result is a scalable, highly parallel system
>>     capable of calculating 60 billion moves within three minutes,
>>     which is the time allotted to each player's move in classical
>>     chess."
>>
>>It says 256 processors. The URL:
>>
>>http://www.research.ibm.com/deepblue/meet/html/d.3.2.html
>>
>>Then look at the logo, it says the re-match. So 256 processors.
>>
>>Ed
>
>Well, according to the horse's mouth, these are the very first lines (including
>the title) of his article published in IEEE/1999:
>
>"IBM’S DEEP BLUE CHESS
>GRANDMASTER CHIPS
>
>THE IBM DEEP BLUE SUPERCOMPUTER THAT DEFEATED WORLD CHESS
>CHAMPION GARRY KASPAROV IN 1997 EMPLOYED 480 CUSTOM CHESS CHIPS.
>THIS ARTICLE DESCRIBES THE DESIGN PHILOSOPHY, GENERAL ARCHITECTURE,
>AND PERFORMANCE OF THE CHESS CHIPS, WHICH PROVIDED MOST OF DEEP
>BLUE’S COMPUTATIONAL POWER."
>
>                                Albert Silver

Albert,

Did the article discuss NPS?  I do not think it matters, but I am
interested in what it says (NPS vs NPS means nothing).  Also, which
IEEE journal is this, I assume the publication that goes to all members,
however, there are several IEEE societies and each has a different
tech journal.  Do you have the month?  Thanks in advance if you can
supply this information.  I will be a the library later this week doing
part of a literature search and I may try to find this article (during
a break).

Best Regards,
Chris Carson



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