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Subject: Re: Positions of known value?

Author: Pete R.

Date: 09:52:48 07/26/00

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On July 26, 2000 at 01:44:57, blass uri wrote:

>I think that if you give GM's many position and ask them to evaluate what is the
>expected result for white after 1 second and you give computers the same
>positions and ask them to evaluate the expected result for white by translating
>the number of their static evaluation function to the expected result then you
>are going to find that the evaluation of computers is better because humans
>cannnot calculate in one second all the things that computers calculate in one
>evaluation.

Well of course but this is a silly restriction.  We know humans can't compete at
that speed.  I was assuming we let the GMs assess the position as long as they
like, e.g. pawn structure, good and bad minor pieces, space, etc. etc. and then
say which side is better.  If a program's evaluation function produced the same
results, even with occasional misevaluations, it would essentially be the
equivalent of a human GM who can flawlessly visualize future positions to great
depths.  Kramnick's play against DJ would have been impossible against such a
program, as would any other type of anti-computer play. Tom is asking for a test
suite of positions that have such a GM concensus evaluation.  It's a difficult
prospect to create such a thing.  Perhaps one could create a test suite based on
positions that computers have already blown against humans, an
anti-computer/closed position test suite.  For open positions program tactical
evaluations seem to compensate well enough for gaps in positional knowledge.



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