Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 05:50:08 07/27/00
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On July 27, 2000 at 00:43:22, blass uri wrote: >On July 26, 2000 at 21:46:03, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On July 26, 2000 at 18:04:09, Chris Carson wrote: >> >>>On July 26, 2000 at 17:56:42, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On July 26, 2000 at 14:35:04, Chris Carson wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 26, 2000 at 14:22:21, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On July 26, 2000 at 04:30:42, Jason Williamson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>So, is Hsu going to release a Deep Thought commercial program with some sort of >>>>>>>Hardware card, simular to the ChessMachine of old? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I can see some sort of marketing scheme where you can buy differnt version with >>>>>>>more chips on it, the 1x, 2x, 4x cards ect. Hmm, would it be considered a micro >>>>>>>still then? I guess so, since other programs (ie the Chessmachine) that used >>>>>>>hardware were. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Jason >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I think that as of right now, DB is MIA and will continue to be so. Hsu had >>>>>>aspirations of building one 15x faster. However Kasparov declined to agree >>>>>>to play a third match assuming he could find sponsors and then build the >>>>>>machine. So with the chicken-and-egg problem unsolved, I think he has moved >>>>>>on to other things, period... >>>>> >>>>>Did Kasparov want this 15x thing to prove it self against other >>>>>opponents before he would grant the match? >>>>> >>>>>Best Regards, >>>>>Chris Carson >>>> >>>>Yes, he said "if you build it I will come, after it has played other humans to >>>>prove it is worthy." Hsu said "I can't build it until you agree to play it, as >>>>sponsors are only going to support another match (a rubber match, if you will) >>>>against the best human in the world." >>>> >>>>A chicken-and-egg problem. I won't play until you build it. You can't >>>>build it until I agree to play. >>>> >>>>Nothing happens, there... >>> >>>Thanks! >>> >>>Best Regards, >>>Chris Carson >> >> >>I should add that I personally feel that the "I won't play it until it has >>proved itself" is a tad superficial. I believe that the _previous_ version >>of this proposed machine proved itself quite forcefully. Although he might >>want to forget that. :) > >IBM was behind the previous version and kasparov so it is not the same. >Kasparov has the right to believe that hsu without IBM cannot build a good >program. > >I understand that kasparov does not want to play against an unknown opponent >when he knows nothing about it. > >I believe that he is going to prefer to play against an opponent that proved >itself. > >I believe that kasparov will agree to play if someone build a machine that does >at least 80% against the best commercial programs when he can see 40 tournament >time control games of this machine against the commercial programs. > >Uri I don't believe it for a minute. Otherwise he _could_ have written that requirement into a contract, so that he would get to see games before he played it. I think it is a case of "artful dodging"...
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