Author: Chris Carson
Date: 14:24:30 07/27/00
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On July 27, 2000 at 17:08:18, Tom Kerrigan wrote: >On July 27, 2000 at 15:45:52, Chris Carson wrote: > >>On July 27, 2000 at 15:40:50, Tom Kerrigan wrote: >> >>>On July 27, 2000 at 15:32:24, Chris Carson wrote: >>> >>>>On July 27, 2000 at 15:22:27, Tom Kerrigan wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 27, 2000 at 15:01:43, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On July 27, 2000 at 14:41:20, Tom Kerrigan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On July 27, 2000 at 14:14:11, Eugene Nalimov wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Tom, next time please read the available papers before jumping into discussion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I believe Bob about the 480 processors, esp. b/c Andrew just posted the relevant >>>>>>>information from Hsu's paper. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The reason I jumped into this discussion is because Hyatt got aggressive with >>>>>>>Chris when Chris called 1B NPS into question. That behavior is not appropriate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-Tom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I got aggressive when someone tells me I am making up numbers, even though I >>>>>>give them a pointer to a journal article that contains the actual data I was >>>>>>quoting. And _MY_ behavior is not appropriate? >>>>> >>>>>I've only seen you say "read Hsu's IEEE article." No date, no page number, no >>>>>paragraph number, no line number. No direct quote, either. People should not be >>>>>expected to do this kind of research for you. The fact that you like to see >>>>>people do research on their own is not appropriate. This is a discussion forum, >>>>>not one of your classes. >>>>> >>>>>-Tom >>>> >>>>Albet Silver posted a notice about the IEEE article. I asked him which >>>>IEEE article and that I would read it when I had some time. Bob started >>>>quoting the IEEE article after that. Check the threads. It did happen >>>>very close together, so Bob may have posted first, but I did not see it, >>>>I saw the post from Albert. Albert e-mailed me the article and I thanked >>>>him. >>>> >>>>One thing is for sure, Bob did not quote the article when this debate >>>>started and wated a long time before posting. Article at best confirmed >>>>480 chips. So what? >>>> >>>>Also, there are descrepancies between IEEE articles as Tom and Ed have >>>>pointed out. >>>> >>>>The bottom line is DB averaged 200M NPS and that was a guess because >>>>no test was ever done on the DB system to get a number (acording to Bob), >>>>thus the 200M NPS may or may not be correct, it is a SWAG and proves >>>>nothing about the DB vs Micor debate. It was a red hearing. >>> >>>From another (non-Hsu) IEEE abstract: >>> >>>"Now it has the ability to calculate 50 to 100 billion moves within three >>>minutes." (Deeper Blue) >>> >>>That puts the number between 277M and 555M NPS. I think this range is probably >>>accurate, because it should be easy to count the positions you search per move, >>>and this seems like something they might have done. >> >>Thanks. You have done a pretty good job of researching this, I think >>you have quoted from several different IEEE sources. Nice job of >>doing a literature search. This took you some time and I for one >>appreciate the effort! :) > >NP. Actually, I only quoted from the abstracts, so it didn't take as much time >as you might think. The IEEE web site has a very nice search engine and all of >the abstracts on-line. Too bad they don't have the full articles. I know how to >get these articles at school, but not at Microsoft. Presumably we have some >library here that will get them for you, but I've never investigated... > >-Tom Yea, I will use the IEEE website to search for abs. I use the ACA (American Counseling Association) all the time and they have put the Journals on-line and are working back as time and budget allows. When I was in the corporate world, I could just e-mail the library and get what I needed, I had an allowance each calendar year if there was a cost, other wise I had to get approval (training was usually a good reason, separate budget). You might want to check with your supervisor before you order anything, they get up set sometimes. :) Best Regards, Chris Carson
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