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Subject: Re: Tiger against Deep Blue Junior: what really happened.

Author: Wayne Lowrance

Date: 10:40:59 07/28/00

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On July 27, 2000 at 08:48:41, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On July 27, 2000 at 03:57:43, Alessandro Damiani wrote:
>
>>On July 26, 2000 at 21:46:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On July 26, 2000 at 18:04:09, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 26, 2000 at 17:56:42, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 26, 2000 at 14:35:04, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On July 26, 2000 at 14:22:21, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On July 26, 2000 at 04:30:42, Jason Williamson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So, is Hsu going to release a Deep Thought commercial program with some sort of
>>>>>>>>Hardware card, simular to the ChessMachine of old?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I can see some sort of marketing scheme where you can buy differnt version with
>>>>>>>>more chips on it, the 1x, 2x, 4x cards ect.  Hmm, would it be considered a micro
>>>>>>>>still then?  I guess so, since other programs (ie the Chessmachine) that used
>>>>>>>>hardware were.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jason
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think that as of right now, DB is MIA and will continue to be so.  Hsu had
>>>>>>>aspirations of building one 15x faster.  However Kasparov declined to agree
>>>>>>>to play a third match assuming he could find sponsors and then build the
>>>>>>>machine.  So with the chicken-and-egg problem unsolved, I think he has moved
>>>>>>>on to other things, period...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Did Kasparov want this 15x thing to prove it self against other
>>>>>>opponents before he would grant the match?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>>>Chris Carson
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, he said "if you build it I will come, after it has played other humans to
>>>>>prove it is worthy."  Hsu said "I can't build it until you agree to play it, as
>>>>>sponsors are only going to support another match (a rubber match, if you will)
>>>>>against the best human in the world."
>>>>>
>>>>>A chicken-and-egg problem.  I won't play until you build it.  You can't
>>>>>build it until I agree to play.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nothing happens, there...
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>Chris Carson
>>>
>>>
>>>I should add that I personally feel that the "I won't play it until it has
>>>proved itself" is a tad superficial.  I believe that the _previous_ version
>>>of this proposed machine proved itself quite forcefully.  Although he might
>>>want to forget that.  :)
>>
>>I don't think it has to do with proving to be worth. He wants to analyse its
>>positional play. Without that he could be surprised of a move, a mating move? :)
>>
>>Alessandro
>
>
>I don't think that is the reason.  Otherwise he could have said "I will sign a
>contract, but before the match, I want to have 24 (or whatever number) games
>against other GMs to look at to get a feel for how the machine thinks."

I don't agree Bob. I think the most plausable reason is he wants to review its
play for study purposes. How could he want to see if it is a worthy opponent ?
Hsu is involved in it. I think that is good enough !

Wayne









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