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Subject: Re: Tiger against Deep Blue Junior: what really happened.

Author: blass uri

Date: 00:29:35 07/29/00

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On July 28, 2000 at 20:22:01, Jeremiah Penery wrote:

>On July 28, 2000 at 19:12:55, blass uri wrote:
>
>>On July 28, 2000 at 18:25:17, blass uri wrote:
>><snipped>
>>>Fritz5.32 that is not the latest Fritz gives the following evaluation:
>>>Qxc6 -1.62 depth 14/30
>>>fail high Qe3 -1.59 depth 14/41
>>>solved fail high with -1.50 score.
>>
>>I can add that the valuation at depth 16 also failed high and the failed high
>>was solved with -0.81 score at depth 15/45
>
>I suggest an experiment:  Let Fritz continue to search even deeper, say to 20
>plies or more, and then report about what Fritz thinks.  If it ever finds the
>drawing line, I will (in the style of Dann Corbit :) write a poem in Fritz's
>honor, extolling its greatness of search and evaluation.
>
>I did this experiment with some versions of Crafty and some strange things
>happened:  It kept failing high on Qe3 until it found a draw-score (at ply 21 or
>so), but it was not the real drawing line, so it started failing low again
>because it could never find the right line.  It eventually failed back to -1.5,
>but I was forcing it to search only Qe3, so I couldn't know if it would change
>its mind or not.  There is no way to know that DB didn't search the Qe3 line
>very deeply or not, but I contend that no computer will ever find the draw
>because there are quiet moves near the end of the line.

There is a way to know because you can search the alternative and see if the
score of it is clearly lower than -1.5.

I do not think that no computer will find the draw line because it is possible
to find it by the right extensions.

Uri



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