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Subject: Re: New SSDF rating list

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 19:25:50 08/05/00

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On August 05, 2000 at 16:28:30, Derrick Wilson wrote:

>On August 05, 2000 at 07:01:40, blass uri wrote:
>
>>On August 04, 2000 at 22:57:21, Derrick Wilson wrote:
>>
>>>On August 04, 2000 at 22:25:43, Imran Hendley wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 04, 2000 at 22:01:43, Derrick Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 04, 2000 at 21:21:42, Laurence Chen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>> I don't believe this list for a second!! Consider this, on a pent 200 the list
>>>>>>>states that hiarcs6 is only 2417, yet the same program on that hardware defeated
>>>>>>>2495 dean hergott in a six game match!!
>>>>>>Yes, Dean Hergott at the time did not have a copy of Hiarcs to play and practice
>>>>>>with.  Also computers chess at the time was not taken as seriously as it now.
>>>>>>The other explanation is that Dean Hergott was not aware of any anti-computer
>>>>>>strategy, or, he played he's usual style because he did not believe that the
>>>>>>computer was a serious threat.  Result he lost to Hiarcs 6 on a Pentium 200.  If
>>>>>>you look at the games, the games were not closed, locked up positions, no
>>>>>>anti-computer strategy was used.
>>>>>>Laurence
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yawn....excuses, excuses, excuses... if my grandma had wings she could fly. If i
>>>>>could play better chess I could beat Garry kasparov.
>>>>
>>>>There's no law that says someone can't defeat an opponent rated 78 points higher
>>>>in a 6 game match. Six games isn't a lot, and the margin isn't all that big. It
>>>>happens. I don't think this one match is reason enough to say the SSDF should
>>>>not have lowered their ratings. You gotta see the big picture.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Which is? The question is not whatever or not they should have lowered their
>>>rating, obviously they should, but by how much?
>>
>>
>>Every number may be wrong because the performance of programs against humans may
>>be different than the performance against computers.
>>
>>I also read that there was a noise in the match against Hiarcs6 and one match is
>>also not an evidence.
>>
>>I believe that if you do a match between humans with 78 points rating difference
>>you will find often 4:2 results for the player with the lower rating.
>>
>>I am sure that you can find examples in the ssdf games when program A won the
>>first 6 games 4:2 inspite of being more than 78 points lower based on the ssdf
>>rating.
>>
>>Uri
>
>  Another question is, Why did hergott agree to sit down and play the match if
>he thought the noise would be a factor??? This reminds me of kasparov vs
>deepblue, who accepted all the conditions but waited until he lost before he
>complained

Deen didn't realize it would be so noisy until he was playing the match.  I
think Alan got him some earplugs by the third round, though they didn't help all
that much.

Dave



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