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Subject: Re: the "greatest achievement of any computer program in history"

Author: blass uri

Date: 01:11:27 08/06/00

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On August 06, 2000 at 03:51:00, Jason Williamson wrote:

>On August 06, 2000 at 02:49:50, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>
>>From the front page of www.chessbase.com:
>>
>>> DORTMUND 2000 - DAY 9: SUPER-GM PERFORMANCE BY JUNIOR
>>> On the final day in Dortmund Anand outplayed Hübner to catch up with
>>> Kramnik and share first place with him. In the meantime Junior defeated
>>> Leko to end up with an overall score of 50% and a super-GM performance
>>> of 2703. This is the greatest achievement of any computer program in
>>> history.
>>
>>With all due respect to Amir and Shay, this claim is simply over the top.  For
>>instance, I would consider the software that piloted Voyager 2 to close views of
>>several planets over the last decade to be a much greater achievement.
>>Presumably what was meant was that Junior's result was the greatest achievement
>>of any computer chess program in history, which would be (merely ;-)
>>controversial.
>>
>>Dave
>
>Agreed, but certainly it will sell copies of Deep Junior, which is clearly what
>is intended by these statements.  For I can't figure out any other possible
>explanation for the claims I see.  I mean, clearly 50% against some of worlds
>best is not as good as +3 against the World Champion.

I do not know about a program that got +3 against the chess world champion.

It is also not clear that the 3.5:2.5 against kasparov is better than the 50%
against 9 different players.

Kasparov could not buy deeper blue and could not train against it when the
opponents of Deep Junior could train at home against Deep Junior.

If you want to compare with deeper blue than deeper blue had better hardware so
the result of Deep junior is clearly better.

I also think that if a program on a 386 machine can get performance of more than
2600 at tournament time control then it is a better result than deep Junior and
I would consider it as the best result of computer chess program in the history.

Uri



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