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Subject: Re: Analysing old master games with today's programs

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 14:37:44 08/08/00

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On August 08, 2000 at 16:29:59, walter irvin wrote:

>On August 08, 2000 at 10:33:34, Peter Hegger wrote:
>
>>Hello,
>>This has probably been done to a certain extent already. I'm wondering how the
>>games of the old masters, i.e. Morphy, Steinitz, Tarrasch etc...stand up under
>>the scrutiny of today's best computers. Are the games still as clean and
>>brilliant as they seemed to be a hundred years ago? Or have they been found to
>>be error ridden relics of days gone by?
>>I'm wondering in particular about the "evergreen"  and the "immortal" games.
>>Also, Bobby Fischer's "game of the century" against Byrne.
>>Thanks for any help you can give me.
>>Best Regards,
>>Peter
> i think you will find that the computer almost always out does the master in
>key positions .computers crush just about all players in tactics .

I disagree.
They are better in short tactics but humans are better in long tactics.

 i guess the
>the big question is could the computer reach a key position vs morphy ect
>??????????? i think there are some old masters that had styles that a computer
>just could not deal with 2 that come to mind are nimzovitch and petrosian .they
>were masters of the closed position game .i think they would have laughed at
>computers .on the other hand tactical masters like marshal morphy ect would have
>got sliced and diced .

Here is one winning moves of morphy

[D]r1bq1rk1/ppp3p1/7p/3P2n1/2PQ1p2/1N5P/PPP2PPK/R1B2R2 b - - 0 1

Morphy won by Nf3+
programs need a long time to find this move because they cannot see deep enough.

They may suggest other sacrifices that are less convincing because white can
avoid accepting them.

Uri



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