Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 22:45:22 08/08/00
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On August 08, 2000 at 17:37:44, Uri Blass wrote:
>On August 08, 2000 at 16:29:59, walter irvin wrote:
>
>>On August 08, 2000 at 10:33:34, Peter Hegger wrote:
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>This has probably been done to a certain extent already. I'm wondering how the
>>>games of the old masters, i.e. Morphy, Steinitz, Tarrasch etc...stand up under
>>>the scrutiny of today's best computers. Are the games still as clean and
>>>brilliant as they seemed to be a hundred years ago? Or have they been found to
>>>be error ridden relics of days gone by?
>>>I'm wondering in particular about the "evergreen" and the "immortal" games.
>>>Also, Bobby Fischer's "game of the century" against Byrne.
>>>Thanks for any help you can give me.
>>>Best Regards,
>>>Peter
>> i think you will find that the computer almost always out does the master in
>>key positions .computers crush just about all players in tactics .
>
>I disagree.
>They are better in short tactics but humans are better in long tactics.
>
> i guess the
>>the big question is could the computer reach a key position vs morphy ect
>>??????????? i think there are some old masters that had styles that a computer
>>just could not deal with 2 that come to mind are nimzovitch and petrosian .they
>>were masters of the closed position game .i think they would have laughed at
>>computers .on the other hand tactical masters like marshal morphy ect would have
>>got sliced and diced .
>
>Here is one winning moves of morphy
>
>[D]r1bq1rk1/ppp3p1/7p/3P2n1/2PQ1p2/1N5P/PPP2PPK/R1B2R2 b - - 0 1
>
>Morphy won by Nf3+
>programs need a long time to find this move because they cannot see deep enough.
>
>They may suggest other sacrifices that are less convincing because white can
>avoid accepting them.
>
>Uri
This one indeed takes a lot of time. I am sure others must be able to beat
the Rebel time easily. Saved this one in my database, nice to have.
Rebel Century 2.0 = 51:39
Rebel Century 3.0 (beta) = 42:47
Awful times.
Ed
00:19 10.00 -1.32 1..f3 2.Bxg5 Qxg5 3.Rg1 Rf4 4.Qe3 Qh4 5.Nd2 fxg2 6.Rxg2 Bd7
7.Qg3 Qf6
00:32 10.01 -1.27 1..Bxh3 2.f3 Bf5 3.Bxf4 Bxc2 4.Be5 Rf7 5.Rae1
00:42 10.03 -1.23 1..Nxh3 2.gxh3 Qh4 3.Rh1 Qxh3+ 4.Kg1 Qg4+ 5.Kf1 Qf3 6.Rg1
Bg4 7.Rg2 Qe2+
01:48 11.00 -0.72 1..Nxh3 2.gxh3 Qh4 3.Rh1 Qxh3+ 4.Kg1 Qg4+ 5.Kf1 Qf3 6.Rg1
Bh3+ 7.Ke1 Rae8+ 8.Be3 Bg4 9.Rxg4 Qxg4
08:00 12.00 -0.30 1..Nxh3 2.d6 Ng5 3.Re1 Ne6 4.Qd5 Qxd6 5.Qxd6 cxd6 6.c3
21:01 13.00 -0.34 1..Nxh3 2.Nd2 Qh4 3.Nf3 Qh5 4.Kh1 Ng5+ 5.Nh2 f3 6.Rg1 Bf5
7.Bxg5
43:39 14.00 -0.42 1..Nxh3 2.Nd2 Qh4 3.Nf3 Qh5 4.Kh1 c5+ 5.dxc6 bxc6 6.Nh2
51:39 14.05 -0.42 1..Nf3+ [g5f3]
01:02:42 14.05 0.65 1..Nf3+ 2.gxf3 Qh4 3.Rh1 Bxh3 4.c3 Rf5 5.Bxf4 Rxf4 6.Qe3+
b5
00:06:15 12.00 -0.27 1..Nxh3 2.d6 Ng5 3.Re1 cxd6 4.Kg1
g6 5.Bxf4 Ne6 6.Rxe6 Bxe6 7.Bxh6 (105) (0.00)
00:18:40 13.00 -0.34 1..Nxh3 2.Nd2 Qh4 3.Nf3 Qh5 4.Kh1
Ng5 5.Nh2 f3 6.Rg1 (409) (0.00)
00:34:45 14.00 -0.40 1..Nxh3 2.Nd2 Qh4 3.Nf3 Qh5 4.Kh1
Ng5 5.Nh2 f3 6.Rg1 fxg2 7.Rxg2 Bh3
8.Rg1 Rf5 (1257) (0.00)
00:42:47 14.17 -0.40 1..Nf3+
00:50:06 14.17 0.65 1..Nf3+ 2.gxf3 Qh4 3.Rh1 Bxh3 4.c3
Rf5 5.Bxf4 Rxf4 6.Qe3 b5 (2567) (0.00)
00:56:24 15.00 0.52 1..Nf3+ 2.gxf3 Qh4 3.Rh1 Bxh3 4.c3
Rf5 5.Bxf4 Rxf4 6.Qe3 b5 7.Rae1
bxc4 (3038) (0.00)
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