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Subject: Re: Analysing old master games with today's programs

Author: Mark Ryan

Date: 19:54:40 08/09/00

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On August 08, 2000 at 17:37:44, Uri Blass wrote:

>On August 08, 2000 at 16:29:59, walter irvin wrote:
>
>>On August 08, 2000 at 10:33:34, Peter Hegger wrote:
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>This has probably been done to a certain extent already. I'm wondering how the
>>>games of the old masters, i.e. Morphy, Steinitz, Tarrasch etc...stand up under
>>>the scrutiny of today's best computers. Are the games still as clean and
>>>brilliant as they seemed to be a hundred years ago? Or have they been found to
>>>be error ridden relics of days gone by?
>>>I'm wondering in particular about the "evergreen"  and the "immortal" games.
>>>Also, Bobby Fischer's "game of the century" against Byrne.
>>>Thanks for any help you can give me.
>>>Best Regards,
>>>Peter
>> i think you will find that the computer almost always out does the master in
>>key positions .computers crush just about all players in tactics .
>
>I disagree.
>They are better in short tactics but humans are better in long tactics.
>
> i guess the
>>the big question is could the computer reach a key position vs morphy ect
>>??????????? i think there are some old masters that had styles that a computer
>>just could not deal with 2 that come to mind are nimzovitch and petrosian .they
>>were masters of the closed position game .i think they would have laughed at
>>computers .on the other hand tactical masters like marshal morphy ect would have
>>got sliced and diced .
>
>Here is one winning moves of morphy
>
>[D]r1bq1rk1/ppp3p1/7p/3P2n1/2PQ1p2/1N5P/PPP2PPK/R1B2R2 b - - 0 1
>
>Morphy won by Nf3+
>programs need a long time to find this move because they cannot see deep enough.
>
>They may suggest other sacrifices that are less convincing because white can
>avoid accepting them.
>
>Uri

Who was Morphy's opponent?  I'd like to find the whole game, and play through
it.  Cheers,
Mark




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