Author: Mark Young
Date: 22:04:48 08/09/00
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On August 09, 2000 at 22:54:40, Mark Ryan wrote: >On August 08, 2000 at 17:37:44, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On August 08, 2000 at 16:29:59, walter irvin wrote: >> >>>On August 08, 2000 at 10:33:34, Peter Hegger wrote: >>> >>>>Hello, >>>>This has probably been done to a certain extent already. I'm wondering how the >>>>games of the old masters, i.e. Morphy, Steinitz, Tarrasch etc...stand up under >>>>the scrutiny of today's best computers. Are the games still as clean and >>>>brilliant as they seemed to be a hundred years ago? Or have they been found to >>>>be error ridden relics of days gone by? >>>>I'm wondering in particular about the "evergreen" and the "immortal" games. >>>>Also, Bobby Fischer's "game of the century" against Byrne. >>>>Thanks for any help you can give me. >>>>Best Regards, >>>>Peter >>> i think you will find that the computer almost always out does the master in >>>key positions .computers crush just about all players in tactics . >> >>I disagree. >>They are better in short tactics but humans are better in long tactics. >> >> i guess the >>>the big question is could the computer reach a key position vs morphy ect >>>??????????? i think there are some old masters that had styles that a computer >>>just could not deal with 2 that come to mind are nimzovitch and petrosian .they >>>were masters of the closed position game .i think they would have laughed at >>>computers .on the other hand tactical masters like marshal morphy ect would have >>>got sliced and diced . >> >>Here is one winning moves of morphy >> >>[D]r1bq1rk1/ppp3p1/7p/3P2n1/2PQ1p2/1N5P/PPP2PPK/R1B2R2 b - - 0 1 >> >>Morphy won by Nf3+ >>programs need a long time to find this move because they cannot see deep enough. >> >>They may suggest other sacrifices that are less convincing because white can >>avoid accepting them. >> >>Uri > >Who was Morphy's opponent? I'd like to find the whole game, and play through >it. Cheers, >Mark [Event "It"] [Site "Paris (France)"] [Date "1863.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "De Riviere J A"] [Black "Morphy Paul"] [Result "0-1"] [ECO "C58"] [PlyCount "40"] [EventDate "1863.??.??"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Na5 6. d3 h6 7. Nf3 e4 8. Qe2 Nxc4 9. dxc4 Bc5 10. h3 O-O 11. Nh2 Nh7 12. Nd2 f5 13. Nb3 Bd6 14. O-O Bxh2+ 15. Kxh2 f4 16. Qxe4 Ng5 17. Qd4 Nf3+ 18. gxf3 Qh4 19. Rh1 Bxh3 20. Bd2 Rf6 0-1 Here it is, another Morphy crush...
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