Author: Mark Ryan
Date: 02:23:18 08/10/00
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On August 10, 2000 at 01:04:48, Mark Young wrote: >On August 09, 2000 at 22:54:40, Mark Ryan wrote: > >>On August 08, 2000 at 17:37:44, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On August 08, 2000 at 16:29:59, walter irvin wrote: >>> >>>>On August 08, 2000 at 10:33:34, Peter Hegger wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hello, >>>>>This has probably been done to a certain extent already. I'm wondering how the >>>>>games of the old masters, i.e. Morphy, Steinitz, Tarrasch etc...stand up under >>>>>the scrutiny of today's best computers. Are the games still as clean and >>>>>brilliant as they seemed to be a hundred years ago? Or have they been found to >>>>>be error ridden relics of days gone by? >>>>>I'm wondering in particular about the "evergreen" and the "immortal" games. >>>>>Also, Bobby Fischer's "game of the century" against Byrne. >>>>>Thanks for any help you can give me. >>>>>Best Regards, >>>>>Peter >>>> i think you will find that the computer almost always out does the master in >>>>key positions .computers crush just about all players in tactics . >>> >>>I disagree. >>>They are better in short tactics but humans are better in long tactics. >>> >>> i guess the >>>>the big question is could the computer reach a key position vs morphy ect >>>>??????????? i think there are some old masters that had styles that a computer >>>>just could not deal with 2 that come to mind are nimzovitch and petrosian .they >>>>were masters of the closed position game .i think they would have laughed at >>>>computers .on the other hand tactical masters like marshal morphy ect would have >>>>got sliced and diced . >>> >>>Here is one winning moves of morphy >>> >>>[D]r1bq1rk1/ppp3p1/7p/3P2n1/2PQ1p2/1N5P/PPP2PPK/R1B2R2 b - - 0 1 >>> >>>Morphy won by Nf3+ >>>programs need a long time to find this move because they cannot see deep enough. >>> >>>They may suggest other sacrifices that are less convincing because white can >>>avoid accepting them. >>> >>>Uri >> >>Who was Morphy's opponent? I'd like to find the whole game, and play through >>it. Cheers, >>Mark > >[Event "It"] >[Site "Paris (France)"] >[Date "1863.??.??"] >[Round "?"] >[White "De Riviere J A"] >[Black "Morphy Paul"] >[Result "0-1"] >[ECO "C58"] >[PlyCount "40"] >[EventDate "1863.??.??"] > >1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Na5 6. d3 h6 7. Nf3 e4 8. Qe2 >Nxc4 9. dxc4 Bc5 10. h3 O-O 11. Nh2 Nh7 12. Nd2 f5 13. Nb3 Bd6 14. O-O Bxh2+ >15. Kxh2 f4 16. Qxe4 Ng5 17. Qd4 Nf3+ 18. gxf3 Qh4 19. Rh1 Bxh3 20. Bd2 Rf6 0-1 > >Here it is, another Morphy crush... What a killer! By the way, when I was young I was told that this way of countering the threatened "Fried Liver" attack was invented by Tchigorin: as in this game, 4...d5 5. exd5 Na5. But Tchigorin would only have been about 13 years old when this game was played. Does anyone if he developed this line? Cheers, Mark
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