Author: Andrew Dados
Date: 09:34:55 08/11/00
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On August 11, 2000 at 08:59:06, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On August 11, 2000 at 02:31:00, Yar wrote: > >>On August 11, 2000 at 01:57:40, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On August 11, 2000 at 00:38:18, Yar wrote: >>> >>>>Hi all, >>>> >>>>This game was played on ICC. Blueflame used crafty v17.9 with all 4-man TB's + >>>>KQPKQ + KRPKR according to his fingernotes PII 400Mhz, spacechess Chess Tiger >>>>v12.0en PII-350Mhz time control 15-5. Have a look at the blunder made by >>>>blueflame in the endgame >>>> >>>>[Event "ICC u 15 5 2000.08.23"] >>>>[Site "Internet Chess Club"] >>>>[Date "2000.08.23"] >>>>[Round "-"] >>>>[White "BlueFlame"] >>>>[Black "SpaceChess"] >>>>[Result "0-1"] >>>>[WhiteElo "2542"] >>>>[BlackElo "2579"] >>>> >>>>1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 >>>>6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Be7 8. Qf3 Qc7 9. O-O-O Nbd7 10. g4 b5 >>>>11. Bxf6 Nxf6 12. g5 Nd7 13. a3 Rb8 14. Bh3 Nc5 15. Rhg1 b4 >>>>16. axb4 Rxb4 17. f5 Qb7 18. f6 gxf6 19. gxf6 Bf8 20. b3 a5 >>>>21. Qe3 h5 22. Kb1 Bd7 23. e5 a4 24. Na2 Rb6 25. b4 Qe4 >>>>26. Rge1 Qxe3 27. Rxe3 Bh6 28. Re2 d5 29. Kb2 Bf8 30. c3 Bh6 >>>>31. Ka3 Nb3 32. Nxb3 axb3 33. Kxb3 Bb5 34. Rg2 Bf4 35. Re1 Kd7 >>>>36. Kc2 Rc6 37. Rg7 Rf8 38. Rh7 d4 39. Bf1 Bxf1 40. Rxf1 Bxe5 >>>>41. Rxh5 Ra8 42. Rxe5 Rxa2+ 43. Kb3 Rxh2 44. cxd4 Rd2 45. Rf4 Rd1 >>>>46. Rc5 Rb6 47. Kc2 Ra1 48. d5 exd5 49. Rxd5+ Ke6 50. Rc5 Kd6 >>>>51. Rcc4 Rba6 52. Kd3 Rd1+ 53. Ke2 Raa1 54. Rce4 Rab1 55. Kf3 Rh1 >>>>56. Re7 Kd5 57. Re2 Rbf1+ 58. Rf2 Ke5 59. Rc4 Rh3+ 60. Kg2 Rxf2+ >>>>61. Kxf2 Kxf6 62. b5 Rb3 63. Rc6+ Ke5 64. b6 f5 65. Ke2 Kd5 >>>>66. Rh6 Kc5 67. Rf6 Rxb6 68. Rxf5+ Kd4 69. Rf8 Rb3 70. Rh8 Re3+ >>>>71. Kf2 Ra3 72. Rg8 Rb3 73. Rh8 Ke4 74. Rg8 Rf3+ 75. Kg2 Rf7 >>>>76. Rh8 Rf4 77. Rg8 Ke3 78. Rh8 Rg4+ 79. Kh3 Rg1 80. Rf8 Kd4 >>>>81. Rd8+ Ke4 82. Re8+ Kf4 83. Rf8+ Ke3 84. Re8+ Kd3 85. Rd8+ Kc4 >>>>86. Rc8+ Kd5 87. Rd8+ Ke6 88. Re8+ Kd7 89. Rf8 Kd6 90. Rd8+ Kc7 >>>>91. Rf8 Rg6 92. Rh8 Kd6 93. Rf8 Kd5 94. Rh8 Kd4 95. Rf8 Ra6 >>>>96. Rh8 Ra1 97. Rg8 Ke4 98. Re8+ Kf4 99. Rf8+ Ke5 100. Re8+ Kd4 >>>>101. Rd8+ Ke3 102. Re8+ Kf3 103. Rf8+ Ke2 104. Re8+ Kd3 105. Rd8+ Kc4 >>>>106. Rc8+ Kd5 107. Rd8+ Ke6 108. Re8+ Kd7 109. Rg8 Kd6 110. Rd8+ Ke7 >>>>111. Rg8 Kf7 112. Rd8 Rg1 113. Rd7+ Ke6 114. Rd8 Ke5 115. Re8+ Kf4 >>>>116. Rf8+ Ke4 117. Re8+ Kf3 118. Rh8 Rh1# 0-1 >>> >>>without looking on the game but only looking on the moves I see a draw by the 50 >>>move rule. >>> >>>White can ask for a draw and stop the clock when it plays 118.Rh8 and claim a >>>draw by the 50 move rule. >>> >>>I guess that Blueflame did not know to ask for a draw by the 50 move rule and >>>that this is the reason that it lost. >>> >>>Uri >> >>blueflame had 9+ minutes on his clock > > >This is just a timing hole in dealing with the chess server. Crafty does this: > >plays the move that hits the 50-move rule (both sides have now played 50 moves >without a pawn push or capture). It then sends the draw claim. But lag >prevents the draw claim from arriving at the chess server before the opponent >makes a move. > >In a 50 move rule game, _any_ move is good enough to get the draw, including >a move that hangs a rook or leaves you open to a mate in 1. Unfortunately, on >a chess server, playing such a move leaves you exposed to the tiny timing hole >mentioned above... > >You have to be sure your move _and_ draw claim arrive before the opponent can >play a move that beats you. Since the move and draw claim are sent separately, >there is no way to guarantee this. This looks like a ICC bug/lack of feature to me. FICS allows sending 'draw <move>' which means exactly what fide rules require: I claim a draw _before_ making a move; I say that making <move> I'll get a draw (either 50 or 3-fold repetition). -Andrew-
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