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Subject: Re: A Little Endgame-Test...

Author: Chessfun

Date: 14:27:21 08/11/00

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On August 07, 2000 at 14:35:46, blass uri wrote:

>On August 07, 2000 at 14:17:32, Jari Huikari wrote:
>
>>On August 06, 2000 at 07:12:21, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>On August 06, 2000 at 06:54:57, Carlo Meier wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ra2+  ist not the right move... :)
>>>>
>>>>greeting:  Carlo
>>>
>>>Do you mean that Ra2 does not win or that it does not win in the shortest way?
>>>
>>>I think that rook and a bishop win against bishop and a pawn.
>>>White cannot take the pawn but may drive black king into the corner
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>How about moving Rh1 and then Nf4 ?
>>
>>					Jari
>
>I also thought about this line but did not see a clear win when I analyzed with
>a computer after some minutes.
>
>The problem is that the black bishop can be in the diagnol h5-d1 and I do not
>see a way for white to get to the right square with the knigh.
>
>I admit that
>1.Ra2+ Kh3 2.Ng5+ Kg3 3.Be5+ f4 is good for black and it is surprising that some
>programs(including crafty with no tablebases) believe that a piece advantage
>after sacrificing the rook for 2 pawns is more than 4 pawns advantage
>
>I believe that only material counting programs with no tablebases can see a main
>line with an endgame with a piece advantage but some programs have evaluation
>function that is worse than only material evaluation in this case and they
>prefer to go for position with rook for a pawn adavntage for white and not a
>knight advantage.
>
>Junior5.9 has better evaluation and it evaluate the position as close to +1 for
>white and does not see win for white.
>
>Uri


After 1. Rh1 Kxh1 2. Nf4.

Then.

Goliath Light - Bird,S
8/8/2b5/5p2/3B1N2/2K5/7p/7k b - - 0 1

Analysis by Goliath Light:

2...Be8 3.Kc4 Bf7+ 4.Kc5
  µ  (-1.21)   Depth: 6/6   00:00:00
2...Be8 3.Kc4 Bd7 4.Kd5
  µ  (-1.07)   Depth: 6/7   00:00:00  2kN
2...Bb5 3.Kb4 Ba6 4.Kc5
  µ  (-1.17)   Depth: 6/8   00:00:00  3kN
2...Bb7 3.Kc4 Be4 4.Kc5
  µ  (-1.23)   Depth: 6/8   00:00:00  5kN
2...Bb7 3.Kc4 Be4 4.Kc5
  µ  (-1.23)   Depth: 7/8   00:00:00  5kN
2...Bb7 3.Kc4 Bg2 4.Kc5 Bf1 5.Kd5
  µ  (-1.04)   Depth: 7/11   00:00:00  7kN
2...Be8
  µ  (-1.15)   Depth: 7/11   00:00:00  10kN
2...Be8 3.Kc4 Bf7+ 4.Kb4 Ba2 5.Kc5 Bg8
  µ  (-1.17)   Depth: 7/11   00:00:00  11kN
2...Be8 3.Kc4 Bf7+ 4.Kb4 Ba2 5.Kc5 Bg8
  µ  (-1.17)   Depth: 8/11   00:00:00  13kN
2...Be8 3.Kc4 Bf7+ 4.Kb4 Ba2 5.Kc5 Bg8
  ±  (0.72)   Depth: 8/11   00:00:00  16kN
2...Be8 3.Kd2 Bf7 4.Ke1 Ba2 5.Kf2 Bb3 6.Bc3 Bd1 7.Be5 Bg4 8.Ne6 Bd1
  ²  (0.65)   Depth: 8/11   00:00:00  17kN
2...Bd5
  ²  (0.50)   Depth: 8/11   00:00:00  24kN
2...Bd5 3.Bf2 Be4 4.Bg3 Bf3 5.Bxh2 Kxh2
  µ  (-1.08)   Depth: 8/14   00:00:00  47kN
2...Bd5 3.Bf2 Be4 4.Bg3 Bf3 5.Bxh2 Kxh2
  µ  (-1.08)   Depth: 9/14   00:00:00  48kN
2...Bd5 3.Bf2 Bf3 4.Bg3 Bc6 5.Bxh2 Kxh2
  µ  (-1.08)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:00  112kN
2...Bd5 3.Bf2 Bf3 4.Bg3 Bc6 5.Bxh2 Kxh2
  µ  (-1.08)   Depth: 10/18   00:00:00  114kN
2...Bd5 3.Bf2 Bf3 4.Bg3 Bc6 5.Bxh2 Kxh2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 10/18   00:00:01  165kN
2...Bd5 3.Kd2 Bg8 4.Ke2 Bh7 5.Be5 Bg8 6.Bd4 Bh7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 10/18   00:00:01  201kN
2...Bd5 3.Kd2 Bg8 4.Ke2 Bh7 5.Be5 Bg8 6.Bd4 Bh7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 11/18   00:00:01  214kN
2...Bd5 3.Kd2 Bg8 4.Ke2 Bh7 5.Be5 Bg8 6.Bd4 Bh7
  ±  (0.89)   Depth: 11/18   00:00:01  214kN
2...Bd5 3.Kd2
  ±  (0.88)   Depth: 11/18   00:00:01  272kN
2...Be8
  ±  (0.77)   Depth: 11/18   00:00:01  355kN
2...Bd5 3.Kd2
  ±  (0.88)   Depth: 11/18   00:00:01  357kN
2...Bd5 3.Kd2
  ±  (0.88)   Depth: 12/18   00:00:01  370kN
2...Bd5 3.Kd2
  +-  (1.72)   Depth: 12/18   00:00:01  371kN
2...Bd5 3.Kd2 Bg8 4.Ke2
  +-  (1.71)   Depth: 12/18   00:00:02  585kN
2...Bd5 3.Kd2 Bg8 4.Ke2
  +-  (1.71)   Depth: 13/18   00:00:02  615kN
2...Bd5 3.Kd2 Bg8 4.Ke2
  +-  (#18)   Depth: 13/18   00:00:02  625kN
2...Bd5 3.Kd2 Bg8 4.Ke2 Bh7 5.Kf2 Bg8 6.Bc3 Bb3 7.Ba1 Ba4 8.Be5 Bd1 9.Bc7
  +-  (#14)   Depth: 13/18   00:00:03  1304kN
2...Be8 3.Kd2 Bd7 4.Be3 Bc8 5.Ke2 Ba6+ 6.Ke1 Bd3 7.Kd2 Be2
  +-  (#18)   Depth: 13/18   00:00:05  2428kN
2...Be8 3.Kd2 Bd7 4.Be3 Bc8 5.Ke2 Ba6+ 6.Ke1 Bd3 7.Kd2 Be2
  +-  (#18)   Depth: 14/18   00:00:07  3419kN
2...Be8 3.Kd2 Bd7 4.Ke1 Ba4 5.Ke2 Bc2 6.Kf2 Bb3 7.Be3 Bd1 8.Ne6 f4 9.Bxf4 Bc2
10.Nd4 Bh7 11.Bc7
  +-  (#13)   Depth: 14/20   00:00:11  6464kN
2...Be4 3.Kd2 Bc2 4.Ke2 Ba4 5.Be3 Bd1+ 6.Kf2 Bg4 7.Bd4
  +-  (#14)   Depth: 14/22   00:00:17  11286kN
2...Be4 3.Kd2 Bc2 4.Ke2 Ba4 5.Be3 Bd1+ 6.Kf2 Bg4 7.Bd4
  +-  (#14)   Depth: 15/22   00:00:17  11329kN
2...Be4 3.Kd2 Bc2 4.Ke2 Ba4 5.Be3 Bd1+ 6.Kf2
  +-  (#14)   Depth: 15/23   00:00:36  20763kN
2...Be4 3.Kd2 Bc2 4.Ke2 Ba4 5.Be3 Bd1+ 6.Kf2
  +-  (#14)   Depth: 16/25   00:01:09  41172kN
2...Be4 3.Kd2 Bc2 4.Ke2
  +-  (#14)   Depth: 16/25   00:01:45  69689kN
2...Bb7 3.Kd3 Ba6+ 4.Kd2 Bb7 5.Ke1 Bg2 6.Be5 Bh3 7.Kf2 Bg4 8.Bc3
  +-  (#16)   Depth: 16/25   00:02:22  98187kN
2...Bb7 3.Kd3 Ba6+ 4.Kd2 Bb7 5.Ke1 Bg2 6.Be5 Bh3 7.Kf2 Bg4 8.Bc3
  +-  (#16)   Depth: 17/25   00:02:22  98204kN
2...Bb7 3.Kd3 Ba6+ 4.Kd2 Bb7 5.Bc5 Bc6 6.Be3 Bb5 7.Ke1 Bc4 8.Kf2 Bb5 9.Nh5 f4
  +-  (#17)   Depth: 17/28   00:04:49  188711kN
2...Bb7 3.Kd3 Ba6+ 4.Kd2 Bb7 5.Bc5 Bc6 6.Be3 Bb5 7.Ke1 Bc4 8.Kf2 Bb5 9.Nh5 f4
  +-  (#17)   Depth: 18/28   00:04:51  190023kN

(Bird, Scarb 11.08.2000)

Thanks.






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