Author: Alvaro Rodriguez
Date: 03:21:36 08/13/00
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On August 13, 2000 at 03:31:20, Joshua Lee wrote:
>On August 12, 2000 at 19:04:11, Alvaro Rodriguez wrote:
>
>>On August 12, 2000 at 17:13:44, Joshua Lee wrote:
>>
>>>[Event "Level=40/2"]
>>>[Site "Pensacola"]
>>>[Date "2000.08.11"]
>>>[Round "?"]
>>>[White "Hiarcs 7.32"]
>>>[Black "Lee, Joshua"]
>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>[ECO "B13"]
>>>[WhiteElo "2099"]
>>>[BlackElo "1365"]
>>>[PlyCount "130"]
>>>[EventDate "2000.07.29"]
>>>
>>>{131072kB. 880Mhz Athlon
>>>} 1. e4 {0} 1... c6 {2} 2. d4 {0} 2... d5 {1} 3. exd5
>>>{0} 3... cxd5 {1} 4. Nf3 {0} 4... Nf6 {2} 5. Nc3 {0} 5... Bg4 {2} 6. Bb5+ {0}
>>>6... Nc6 {3} 7. h3 {0} 7... Bxf3 {1} 8. Qxf3 {0} 8... Rc8 {5} 9. Bg5 {0} 9...
>>>e6 {5} 10. Qg3 {0} 10... Be7 {5} 11. O-O {0} 11... O-O {2} 12. Rfd1 {1} 12...
>>>Nh5 {9} (12... Qb6 13. Bh6 Ne8 14. Bf4 Nxd4 15. Rxd4 Qxd4 16. Bxe8 Qb6 17. Bd7
>>>Qxb2 18. Be5 Qxa1+ 19. Kh2) 13. Bxe7 {0} 13... Qxe7 {3} 14. Qe3 {0} (14. Qf3) (
>>>14. Qg4) 14... Nf6 {5} 15. a3 {0} 15... a6 {2} 16. Be2 {0} (16. Bf1) (16. Bd3)
>>>16... Na5 {5} 17. Re1 {0} (17. Qg3 {0.00/11 862}) (17. Rab1) (17. Bd3) 17...
>>>Nc4 {1} 18. Bxc4 {0} 18... Rxc4 {2} 19. Rad1 {0} 19... Rfc8 {4} 20. Qg3 {0} (
>>>20. f3) 20... Qc7 {4} (20... Qd8 {-0.73/12 125} 21. Rd3 Ne4 22. Nxe4 dxe4 23.
>>>Rxe4 Rxc2 24. b4 g6 {-0.29/10 590}) 21. Qxc7 {0} 21... R8xc7 {4} 22. f4 {0}
>>>22... Kf8 {7} 23. Kf2 {0} (23. Kf2 {-0.05/3 0}) 23... Rxc3 {7} (23... Rxc3 {
>>>-0.45/12 176}) 24. bxc3 {0} 24... Rxc3 {1} 25. a4 {0} 25... Rxc2+ {3} 26. Kf3 {
>>>0} 26... Ne4 {3} 27. g4 {0} 27... Rc4 {5} 28. a5 {0} 28... Rb4 {10} 29. Rd3 {0}
>>>29... b6 {2} (29... Nd6 {-0.72/11 20}) 30. axb6 {0} 30... Rxb6 {1} 31. Ra1 {0}
>>>31... Nd6 {12} 32. Rda3 {0} 32... a5 {20} 33. Rxa5 {0} 33... Nc4 {2} 34. Ra8+ {
>>>0} 34... Ke7 {1} 35. g5 {0} 35... Rb3+ {4} 36. Ke2 {0} 36... Rb7 {11} 37. R1a7
>>>{0} 37... Rd7 {3} 38. Rxd7+ {0} 38... Kxd7 {1} 39. Rg8 {0} 39... g6 {9} 40. Rh8
>>>{0} 40... Ke7 {2} 41. Rxh7 {0} 41... Nd6 {6} 42. Rh8 {0} 42... Ne8 {1} 43. Rh7
>>>{0} 43... Kf8 {5} 44. Kd3 {0} 44... Kg8 {3} 45. Rh4 {0} 45... Nd6 {4} 46. Rh6 {
>>>0} (46. Rh6 {3.11/1 0}) 46... Nf5 {6} 47. h4 {0} 47... Nxh6 {3} 48. gxh6 {0}
>>>48... Kh7 {1} 49. Ke3 {0} 49... Kxh6 {1} 50. Kf3 {0} 50... f6 {2} 51. Kg4 {0}
>>>51... f5+ {5} 52. Kg3 {0} 52... Kg7 {6} 53. Kf3 {0} 53... Kf6 {3} 54. Ke3 {0}
>>>54... Ke7 {4} 55. Kd2 {0} 55... Kd7 {5} 56. Kd3 {0} 56... Kc6 {5} 57. Kc3 {0}
>>>57... Kd6 {11} 58. Kd2 {0} 58... Kc6 {1} 59. Kc2 {0} 59... Kd6 {1} 60. Kd3 {0}
>>>60... Kc6 {1} 61. Kc2 {0} 61... Kb5 {2} 62. Kd3 {0} 62... Kb4 {2} 63. Ke3 {0}
>>>63... Kc3 {3} 64. Ke2 {0} 64... Kxd4 {1} 65. Kd2 {0} 65... Ke4 {2} 0-1
>>>
>>>Can anyone find a win for black after 17Qg3 instead of Re1?
>>
>>You surely played well in this game..I like the way you played the opening..
>>
>>After 17. Qg3, I think 17...Nc4 looks good, with a good position for the black
>>knight, but maybe it won´t last there too long..
>>A variation could be 17. Qg3 Nc4 18. Bxc4 Rxc4 19. Qe3 Rc8.. and black is good
>>here IMO
>>
>>This is only my frist impression though..
>>
>>Regards,
>>Alvaro
>
>See that's just it after 17 Qg3 you would think Nc4 makes sense but it holds
>with best play. I had hiarcs sit on this for hours, even though black should be
>winning the score will remain about even -0.20. I may have found a line with
>pushing b5 but i have to time it (according to what i saw with hiarcs), I would
>play Nc4 ...then b5 but it doesn't work. I will reply again with detailed
>analysis. Earlier 12...Qb6 was much better, this would've made the game go
>quicker.
>
> your analysis would be great for Black.... But your forgetting one important
>point Just because you place the Knight where it can be take doesn't mean it
>has to be taken . if i took the b pawn i get nowhere. Also the problem of Ne2
>and c3 by white. I get nowhere..... Just because my queenside pawns aren't in
>their best location for a minority attack, which now is the only option due to
>the exchange sac not working because the knight moves. I may find something i
>may not... a third piece in the fray would help and lastly as far as my rating
>and hiarcs rating goes it mixes strong moves with weak moves when you set it on
>anything but 2450 sometimes you have the option 1540elo-2000 with 2450 being
>unleashed and sometimes it is 1740 -2200 and 2650 unleashed .
If white let black have that knight on c4, problems will come . If white doesn´t
play 18. Bxc4, then black will win a pawn unless white plays Qc1 and that
doesn´t seem like a good option because black could play d5 try to open up the
position...
Try to play the program at the strongest level and post when you have won a game
:-) GL !!
Regards,
Alvaro
>
>The actual rating is unclear. My guessed rating by a couple of experts and my
>chess coach who's rating is 2335 says i'm 1790-1805 somewhere around that.
>Hiarcs played like an expert atleast in this game but strangely enough the other
>game where i set it on 2200 it resigned in 23moves......
>
>[Event "Level=120'/40+60'/20+30'. "]
>[Site "Pensacola"]
>[Date "2000.08.11"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Lee, Joshua"]
>[Black "Hiarcs 7.32"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[ECO "C65"]
>[WhiteElo "1363"]
>[BlackElo "2200"]
>[PlyCount "45"]
>[EventDate "2000.06.18"]
>
>{131072kB. 880Mhz Athlon
>} 1. e4 {0} 1... e5 {1} 2. Nf3 {2} 2... Nc6 {1} 3.
>Bb5 {2} 3... Nf6 {0} 4. O-O {2} 4... Be7 {0} 5. Re1 {2} 5... Bc5 {1} 6. h3 {3}
>6... a6 {2} 7. Ba4 {2} 7... b5 {0} 8. Bb3 {1} 8... d6 {0} 9. c3 {2} 9... O-O {3
>} 10. d4 {9} 10... Bb6 {0} 11. d5 {4} 11... Na5 {0} 12. Bc2 {1} 12... Bd7 {0}
>13. Bg5 {4} 13... Qe7 {0} 14. Nbd2 {5} 14... h6 {0} 15. Bh4 {2} 15... g5 {0}
>16. Nxg5 {4} 16... hxg5 {0} 17. Bxg5 {1} 17... Kg7 {0} 18. Qf3 {4} 18... Rh8 {0
>} 19. Qg3 {12} 19... c5 $4 {The Losing move 0} (19... Rag8) 20. Re3 {7} 20...
>Qd8 {0} 21. Rf3 {1} 21... Rg8 {1} 22. Bxf6+ {4} 22... Kf8 {0} 23. Qxg8+ {8} 1-0
>
>
>I figure i should play it on the stronger levels where it wouldn't be making
>weak moves like c5 without carefull consideration hehe but it's rating isn't
>acurate as i can lose to what it calls it's self 1540elo so who knows
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