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Subject: Re: Another blocked position -- Analysis with Crafty 17.10

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 02:55:29 08/15/00

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On August 15, 2000 at 03:15:50, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On August 14, 2000 at 19:11:45, Olaf Jenkner wrote:
>
>>On August 14, 2000 at 08:43:08, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>
>>>This one is a MES position:
>>>
>>>[D]3B4/1r2p3/r2p1p2/bkp1P1p1/1p1P1PPp/p1P1K2P/PPB5/8 w - - 0 1
>>>
>>>After 6.f5, all programs I tried evaluate it from +11 to +17.
>>>
>>>Enrique
>>>
>>>[Event "?"]
>>>[Site "?"]
>>>[Date "????.??.??"]
>>>[Round "?"]
>>>[White "MES.941"]
>>>[Black "?"]
>>>[Result "*"]
>>>[SetUp "1"]
>>>[FEN "3B4/1r2p3/r2p1p2/bkp1P1p1/1p1P1PPp/p1P1K2P/PPB5/8 w - - 0 1"]
>>>[PlyCount "11"]
>>>
>>>1. Ba4+ Kxa4 2. b3+ Kb5 3. c4+ Kc6 4. d5+ Kd7 5. e6+ Kxd8 6. f5 *
>>
>>The computer does not have to see the draw to solve this study.
>>The solution can be found, when all other moves give a worse
>>evaluation.
>>To find the value of the drawn position I analysed the position
>>after 1.Bxa4+ Kxa4 2.b3+ Kb5 3.c4+ Kc6 4.d5+ Kd7 5.e6+ Kxd8 :
>
>There is another side effect you seem to forget. Black might for
>instance Rc6 and I am pretty sure comps will capture the rook and
>white will lose after all.
>
>Ed

I believe that programs that can see deep enough to find 5.e6+ can also see deep
enough to avoid taking the rook at c6.

The main problem is that crafty after a lot of hours cannot find 5.e6 and
prefers the losing 5.Bxa5.

Uri



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