Author: pavel
Date: 08:31:02 08/15/00
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On August 15, 2000 at 11:17:02, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On August 15, 2000 at 05:42:26, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On August 15, 2000 at 05:28:47, Marcus Kaestner wrote: >> >>>On August 15, 2000 at 01:15:31, Jouni Uski wrote: >>> >>>>Nice, that all TOP programs are there. With 4/15 programs >>>>(Fritz,Junior,Nimzo,SOS) probability for Chessbase to win is quite high! >>>>Can anybody count it? And specially when all these are very strong... >>>> >>>>Jouni >>> >>>no way. you will see it. >>> >>>marcus >> >>I do not know the future. >>Chessbase can win and can lose. >> >>I am sure shredder,Rebel and tiger are better but the same is also for some >>chessbase engines. >> >>You also cannot be sure that the best program is going to win. >>In WMCCC of 1997 Junior won convincingly and Junior was not the best program. >> >>How do you know before the games that chessbase is not going to win? >> >>Uri > >I don't understand why are so many excited about tiger at CCC? > >I only see it play positional incredible bad, missing all kind of >knowledge. It's really anti-computer style. Nowadays programs have a lot >less problems with that. > >I see crafty even at a dual getting only half speed at which it >will run at WMCC blowing away tiger in a positional way at the >icc regurarly. > >Some games Tiger sees lands and sails off to hit the land real soon >thereby playing well, others it doesn't see the land in the >see and sails to unknown destiny and loses pathetic. > >To win a championship like this the first priority is a program that >doesn't lose at all. > >I'm not impressed by Shredder's insight in the middlegame. >Especially putting pieces into pins and other dangerous anti-positional >things is something Shredder happily does, only its deep search and the >fact that at these 13+ ply depths there are not many tricks left, >allow usually such moves in a tactical way. >Yet the bottom line is: shredder hardly LOSES a game. >Therefore it always has a good chance to win a championship. >Same is valid for junior. It just doesn't blow things quickly. It's missing >some fundamental knowledge, but no matter whether it makes mistakes, >it doesn't blow it soon. It is not bad in endgame either, one of the >big reasons it won 1997 title. Shredder is real good in endgame. > >Tiger is in a few endgames not bad, but in the average endgame it loses >a lot in very weird ways at the icc servers. That's basically blitz of >course, so no big deal usual, but the slower games show the same problems >also. > >Crafty might get killed real soon in its book against Kure book who had >the chance to study automatically generated books real well as he's >a lot on the internet. Against certain other programs crafty will also >lose bigtime because of book. > >So i don't see crafty win either, but it will play in a reliable way >of course. Very good tested. > >If you have a big weak point in your engine, you can shake it winning >a heavy champ like this. > >Finally considering tiger and rebel will have nearly the same >book, i definitely would be on the last if my choice was limited >to those 2, at least rebel knows something about sacraficing pawns... > >Vincent hey no comments about DIEP? pavel ;)
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