Author: pavel
Date: 08:37:13 08/15/00
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On August 15, 2000 at 11:28:23, Andrew Williams wrote: >On August 15, 2000 at 11:11:10, Matthew wrote: > >>On August 14, 2000 at 22:16:24, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On August 14, 2000 at 21:16:55, Martin Grabriel wrote: >>> >>>>Fritz >>>>Tiger >>>>Nimzo >>>>Rebel >>>>Junior >>>> >>>>My pick of top 5 (in that order)... >>> >>>Did you consider the fact that Crafty has a better hardware(probably at least >>>twice faster than the opponents)? >>> >>>I guess that Crafty will be in the top 5 but I do not guess which program will >>>be number 1. >>> >>>Uri >>Hi, others here might be more than I do, but it seems to me that unless all the >>programs are played against each other using exactly the same >>configuration/hardware, the results of the programs playing each other proves >>nothing (except that one person can afford a better computer). > >This is a bit more complicated than you think. What are you comparing when you >compare two chess programs? Suppose I and a clone of me start with the same >program. I decide to spend a year working on the eval. My clone decides to >spend a year working on making the program SMP capable. After the year is up, >we play a double-match. On single processor HW, my program wins handily. On >the SMP hardware, my program gets crushed. Who is cleverer, me or my clone? >Perhaps he should get the accolades, because given the right HW, his program >is much stronger than mine. Or maybe I should get a prize because mine makes >the best use out of generally available single processor machines. You can >argue round and round in circles like this forever. > >In any case, there was an attempt to make this a uniform-platform event, but >it wasn't possible to find a sponsor to provide identical machines on which >to run the programs. > >> It brings to mind the argument I heard the other day in a chess news group >>about whether Deep Blue's program would be able to beat fritz6. My question >>is...would the program win or the hardware? To test whether deep blue's PROGRAM >>could beat fritz, both would have to be on the same hardware..imagine if fritz6 >>was able to use the hardware that Deep Blues program had at it's disposal! Matt > >Again, nothing is actually this easy. DB isn't just a "program". It's a >special-purpose chess playing machine, incorporating both HW and SW portions. >It doesn't make any sense at all to say "run fritz on DB HW" or "run >DB on a PC". > >Andrew Williams yes exactly I agree with you fully .... deep blue is a "hardware slution" not a software solution. on the other hands all the commercial chess programs are mainly software solution. so you cannot compare 'this' with 'that'.............no way pavel
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