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Subject: Re: Another blocked position -- Analysis with Crafty 17.10

Author: Torstein Hall

Date: 11:40:16 08/15/00

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On August 15, 2000 at 05:55:29, Uri Blass wrote:

>On August 15, 2000 at 03:15:50, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>On August 14, 2000 at 19:11:45, Olaf Jenkner wrote:
>>
>>>On August 14, 2000 at 08:43:08, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>>
>>>>This one is a MES position:
>>>>
>>>>[D]3B4/1r2p3/r2p1p2/bkp1P1p1/1p1P1PPp/p1P1K2P/PPB5/8 w - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>After 6.f5, all programs I tried evaluate it from +11 to +17.
>>>>
>>>>Enrique
>>>>
>>>>[Event "?"]
>>>>[Site "?"]
>>>>[Date "????.??.??"]
>>>>[Round "?"]
>>>>[White "MES.941"]
>>>>[Black "?"]
>>>>[Result "*"]
>>>>[SetUp "1"]
>>>>[FEN "3B4/1r2p3/r2p1p2/bkp1P1p1/1p1P1PPp/p1P1K2P/PPB5/8 w - - 0 1"]
>>>>[PlyCount "11"]
>>>>
>>>>1. Ba4+ Kxa4 2. b3+ Kb5 3. c4+ Kc6 4. d5+ Kd7 5. e6+ Kxd8 6. f5 *
>>>
>>>The computer does not have to see the draw to solve this study.
>>>The solution can be found, when all other moves give a worse
>>>evaluation.
>>>To find the value of the drawn position I analysed the position
>>>after 1.Bxa4+ Kxa4 2.b3+ Kb5 3.c4+ Kc6 4.d5+ Kd7 5.e6+ Kxd8 :
>>
>>There is another side effect you seem to forget. Black might for
>>instance Rc6 and I am pretty sure comps will capture the rook and
>>white will lose after all.
>>
>>Ed
>
>I believe that programs that can see deep enough to find 5.e6+ can also see deep
>enough to avoid taking the rook at c6.
>
>The main problem is that crafty after a lot of hours cannot find 5.e6 and
>prefers the losing 5.Bxa5.
>
>Uri

This closed pawn chain things should be solved in eval not search. But I guess I
must be dreaming....

Torstein



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