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Subject: Re: New curios position! Is this a draw???

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 16:29:07 08/17/00

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On August 17, 2000 at 14:21:30, Christoph Fieberg wrote:

>On August 17, 2000 at 13:52:51, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On August 16, 2000 at 06:40:10, Christoph Fieberg wrote:
>>
>>>>>>1.Lxd2 Sf6+ 2.gxh8S Txh8+ 3.Th7 fxg1D 4.c8D exd1D 5.bxa8D
>>>
>>>>>I think that this line is not a draw.
>>>
>>>>>White wins by 5.d8Q+(possible lines 5...Kg3 6.Qd6+ Kf2 7.Qd4+ Kf1 8.Qcc4+ Qe2
>>>>>9.Qxe2+ Kxe2 10.Nxg1+ hxg1 11.Qxg1 or 5...Rxc8 6.bxc8Q+ Kg3 7.Qd6+ Kf2 8.Qcc5+)
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>I agree that after 4.c8D exd1D 5.d8Q+! (instead of 5.bxa8Q) White will win.
>>>
>>>But what about the preventive 4....Kg3 (instead of exd1D). Is this also a forced
>>>win for White? At the moment I analyse it with Fritz6 (will take some time).
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Christoph
>>
>>I did not analyze the position but only gave it to Junior5.9.
>>
>>after 4...Kg3 Junior5.9 fails high on the move Rxh8
>>
>>evaluation at depth 13(after the typical 0.3 addition for fail high moves) is
>>1.03 pawns for white.
>>
>>I used pentium200MMX for 2 hours to get the evaluation(my pentiumIII450 is busy
>>in another task).
>>
>>Uri
>
>Hi Uri,
>I agree that 4...Kg3 is not sufficient - but in the meantime I found a line
>after 1... Ng5+!! which seems to be a forced win for Black! Check this:
>
>1.... Ng5+!! 2.gxh8Q Rxh8+ 3.Rh7 fxg1Q! 4.e8Q Rxh7+ 5.gxh7 h1Q 6.Bxc2 Kg3+
>7.Kxg5 Qc5+ 8.Qe5+ Qxe5+ 9.Nxe5 Qh4+ 10.Kg6 b1Q 11.c8Q Qb6+ 12.Qc6 Qg4+ 13.Kh6
>a1Q 14.Rxa1 Rxa1 -+

Hi christhophe,
Junior5.9 agrees that 1...Ng5+ is better.

Main line after few hours on p200MMX begins with:
1...Ng5+ 2.gxh8Q Rxh8+ 3.Rh7 fxg1Q 4.Bxc2 b1Q 5.c8Q Rxh7+

The evaluation is 2.46 pawns for black at depth 13(1725726 knodes)

Uri



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