Author: Leon Stancliff
Date: 11:42:47 11/29/97
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On November 25, 1997 at 23:22:32, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On November 25, 1997 at 22:55:39, Mike Byrne wrote: > >> >>On November 25, 1997 at 21:16:42, Leon Stancliff wrote: >> >>> Some may be interested in results obtained from Hiarcs 6 running on a >>>132 Mhz MacIntosh and competing on the Internet Chess Club. After 10 >>>games and without the advantage of xboard, and thus giving others about >>>a nine second advantage, Hiarcs 6 has established an ICC rating of about >>>2575 for 15 15 play. It is significantly stronger than the crafty >>>version playing there. Although the ICC does not recognize the rating >>>until 20 games have been rated, I expect Hiarcs 6 for MacIntosh to >>>maintain at least a 2550 rating. >>> I am very interested in the results from the G3 275 Mhz.Get ready >>>friends. The Macs are not dead quite yet!! >> >>directly from ICC >> >>"Information about HiMac(C) (Last disconnected Sat Nov 15 97 18:44): >> >> rating [need] win loss draw total best >>Wild ---- [6] 0 0 0 0 >>Bughouse ---- [6] 0 0 0 0 >>Bullet 1303 [8] 0 1 0 1 >>Blitz 2216 [8] 120 50 9 179 2272 (12-Jul-97) >>Standard 2365 60 47 15 122 2365 (15-Nov-97) >> >> 1: Hello, I am Himac. >> 2: I use a Power MacIntosh 7600 at 132 Mhz >> 3: I am running on a Hiarcs4/Macintosh program >> 4: I am manually operated and need a sizable increment. >> 5: I like blitz at 2 18 and standard at 20 15. >> 6: My owner is Leon Stancliff" >> >>and here is fitter -- runing crafty 14.1 (currently) >> >>Information about Fitter(C) (Last disconnected Tue Nov 25 97 11:22): >> >> rating [need] win loss draw total best >>Wild 1876 [6] 57 37 6 100 1974 (04-Jul-96) >>Bughouse ---- [6] 0 0 0 0 >>Bullet 2779 2098 392 178 2668 2870 (22-Oct-97) >>Blitz 2810 4926 1507 818 7251 3008 (26-Sep-97) >>Standard 2515 [5] 443 113 101 657 2726 (22-Jun-95) >> >> 1: Crafty v14.1 >> 2: WinZippy by Tim Mann >> 3: clean slate again..all those noplayed before have another >>chance..computers are also allowed to play fitter ...excepting those who >>have +noplayed fitter.. >> 4: for those who engage in trying to "outblitz" fitter by shuffling the >>pieces back and forth..you run the risk of being "noplayed" >> 5: if fitter appears to be hung ..just type adjourn and try to resume >>game...or disconnect...flagging when fitter is hung will get you >>+noplayed >> 6: computer vs computer by appointment only - message fitter or cpatwo >> 7: those that flag w/o fitter making a move gets noplayed..period >> 8: WIN_NT OS >> >> Address : chessman@omni.voicenet.com >> >>I don't agree with the >>" It is significantly stronger than the crafty >>>version playing there" statement >> >>I would be willing to run at your convenience any type of match that >>would enable crafty(fitter) play Hiarcs play a game in 6 hours or so. > >I don't particularly like the "mine is bigger than yours" arguments. In >this >case there is not data to support the claim. Info from ICC: > >from your history, you have 2 wins 3 losses against moonshot >(a crafty clone), 2 wins, 1 draw and 2 losses against crafty ierself, >1 loss against singacrafty. to pick out but 3 opponents. > >While I don't doubt Hiarcs is a good program, your results don't support >the "significantly stronger" comment. Other data might indicate this >for >all I know, but comparing results and ratings on ICC doesn't do it... > >Just an observation... I wish to thank both Mike Byrne and Robert Hyatt for responding to my message regarding the strength of Hiarcs 6 for MacIntosh. I also wish to express my gratitude to Bob for the impetus he has provided to the ICC. Mike quoted information on Hiarcs 4 for MacIntosh rather than for Hiarcs 6. Bob followed Mike's line of thought. However; Hiarcs 6 is much stronger, perhaps as much as 150 points. I would like to keep my games using Hiarcs 6 under wraps until it has reached the established rating level of 20 games. Then the results will be made available to each and all who may be interested. At this point Hiarcs 6 Mac has played 14 rated standard games. Mike challenged Hiarcs 6 for any standard time control up to about six hours for the match. I would rather play a four game match with Fitter at a time control of 15 15. Mike, as soon as Hiarcs 6 for Mac has reached the 20 game established rating I will be making contact to see if you are still interested. I might add that my remark about Hiarcs 6 being significantly stronger than the version of Crafty playing on the ICC was limited to Crafty and not Moonshot or Fitter. Both of the latter programs are rated higher in standard time limits than Crafty is. A figure which might be revealing is the results of the LCII test. Hiarcs 6 for MacIntosh (operating at 132 Mhz) received a rating of 2515. Do we have similar ratings for the version of Crafty playing on the ICC, or for either Moonshot or Fitter? Remember also that Hiarcs 6 will be operating without the benefit of an automatic interface. Perhaps the strength of this program will inspire someone to write one. Thanks again. It is easy to strike a nerve without intending to... Leon Stancliff
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