Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 05:29:01 08/19/00
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On August 19, 2000 at 00:56:54, Ed Schröder wrote: >On August 18, 2000 at 23:43:07, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On August 17, 2000 at 12:12:20, Ernst A. Heinz wrote: >> >>>Hi Vincent, >>> >>>>My surprise was also big, but nevertheless i join! >>>>Nothing wrong with joining a tournament that's >>>>already under a lot of attack, or the tournament fades away! >>> >>>IMO, your story is quite different than ours because "Diep" is >>>optimized for PCs and has always been so. Hence, you planned to >>>attend from the beginning I suppose -- your surprise was only >>>related to the fact that you must bring your own PC now. >>> >>>For us it was totally different -- we had no plans to attend >>>_since last year_! >>> >>>>>The low number of participants is probably due to the fact that >>>>>information flow regarding this tournament was almost non-existent >>>>>until mid-July or so. >>> >>>I like to add something to my remark above. >>> >>>Now, everybody here should now that I am a strong supporter of >>>the ICCA and do not intend to bash them or any of their volunteers' >>>efforts to promote computer chess and related events. >>> >>>Nevertheless, I personally deem this year's participation fee of >>>US-$ 100 for amateurs _prohibitively high_. This might be another >>>reason for amateur programmers not to join the tournament. >>> >>>Just my humble opinion, of course ... >>> >>>=Ernst= >> >> >>I agree. In fact, since I can't go due to classes and the expense of going >>to England, I get to pay 200 bucks to get crafty in. I have _never_ paid an >>entry fee in 25 years of ACM competition. I don't see the reasoning behind >>this myself... > >It is not so difficult. Let me explain. The ICCA is a non-profit organization >to promote computer chess in its widest form. The new rules are just meant to >make it more easy for chess programmers to join the tournament. > >Clap, clap clap. > >Ed (sarcastic) :) In my case, adding $100 to the cost of participating is just one more thing to make me think hard about whether I want to go or not. I had always suggested the following about entry fees: 1. If a non-commercial (not-for-sale-anywhere) engine participates, no entry fee. 2. If a commercial program is entered as an "experimental" engine, and the programmer/company agrees to not use the results on the front of the box or in advertisements, no entry fee. 3. If a company enters a program, and wants to use a good result for advertising purposes, then charge them a fee if it is needed to hold the tournament. IE in this event, assuming there are 16 entries and all 16 are non-commercial (not true of course) I can't believe that $1,600 (16 * 100 entry fee) would be a 'make or break' condition for the event. But it is likely that it would be a 'make or break' for one or two of the competitors. I think the events like the ICC tournament are going to be the future of these competitions. No fees. No travel.
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