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Subject: Re: wrong opening preparation

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 09:16:54 08/24/00

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On August 24, 2000 at 12:06:57, Christian Pike wrote:

>On August 24, 2000 at 11:36:56, Gordon Rattray wrote:
>
>>So, do you think that endgame table bases should be removed too?  Where do you
>>draw the line?  Do we only have programs that figure everything out for
>>themselves except for the rules of chess?  Human chess players don't figure
>>everything out for themselves - we use the advice of others in the opening as
>>well as other phases of the game.  It is up to us to decide whether to use
>>advice as it may be good or bad, that's just part of the challenge of chess so
>>it should not be removed.
>
>the problem is that the engine cannot decide which opening to chose, but the
>programmer does, or his advisor.
>IMO there should be an algorithm that the engine can decide too.
>it can take an advise from book and correlate this advise with its own
>ideas about the positio.
>
>
>
>>It is not russian roulette.  Programmers have control over the book that their
>>program uses.  The moves are not random.
>
>but for the engine the moves are random. and the engine has to play the game.
>
>>Do you honestly believe that a program can win a "strong" championship by having
>>a really good opening book but play badly afterwards.  I very much doubt it.
>
>yes - i have experienced in many tournaments that the opening decides much.
>i have seen programs, very strong programs lose because of opening
>bugs they were not in charge but the advisor/programmer before the game.
>strong programs giving away the chance to win the title because of dump
>opening decisions.

It is possible that the second or the third best engine will win because of
better opening preperations but there is no chance that a real weak program is
going to win the tournament because of opening book.

The opening is only one part of the game.
>
>i can show you examples. but in the moment i am busy - like all - watching
>the games. but it is IMO a pity that the engines cannot decide themselves.
>
>>If they do, then they have weaknesses in their ability to play chess so they
>>deserve to lose.
>
>nonsense IMO.
>choose an opening YOU decide, throw the opponent out of book.
>but have the initiative about the opening-decision.
>not follow some stupid openings humans have played, there is no reason
>to do so.

If the programmers tell their programs to follow stupid lines that humans played
then their program deserves to lose.

I do not see a reason to do it.

Uri



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