Author: Enrique Irazoqui
Date: 06:58:43 08/26/00
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On August 26, 2000 at 09:45:41, Uri Blass wrote: >On August 26, 2000 at 09:30:33, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: > >>On August 26, 2000 at 09:07:23, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On August 26, 2000 at 08:53:45, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >>> >>>>Shredder won the WMCCC, and even if there is an important luck factor in any 9 >>>>rounds event, the fact that it won for the second consecutive time, together >>>>with the quality of its games, makes quite clear that sheer luck was not the >>>>reason for Shredder's success. In my opinion, Shredder is the strongest in the >>>>endgame and, together with Junior, has probably the best evaluation functions of >>>>all programs. On the other hand, it lacks the search speed of Fritz, Tiger, >>>>Nimzo and The King. >>> >>>Are you sure about it? >>>Stefan told me that one of the things that he worked about was tactics. >> >>The new Shredder has improved a lot in tactics, among other things, and Shredder >>5 will be improved further, but it is still far in this regard from the very >>fast searchers. >> >>>My chessmaster6000(ss=10) needed some hours to avoid Qxb4 >>>r3rb1k/6p1/p2p3p/1ppb4/PB6/5NRP/1q3PP1/1B1QR1K1 b - - 0 1 >>> >>>I think that Fritz will also have problems with this position and my >>>only program that can avoid Qxb4 is Junior5.9 (and I guess that also Junior6a). >>> >>><snipped> >>>>Shortly before London, I played these games with Shredder 4.22 on 2 P600E >>>>machines with 256MB RAM and the same WMCCC time controls. S4.22 beat neatly the >>>>other 2 betas I made it play against, by 6-0 in one of the matches. The overall >>>>results were great, and the final Shredder 5 will be even better, I'm sure of >>>>it. Enjoy. >>> >>>I do not see 6-0 in the games that you posted but only draws against Fritz6b and >>>Junior6a. >> >>I don't post beta games, unless the programmer gives his permission. >> >>>It is a disappointing result after the impressive result in WMCCC. >> >>It is not disappointing at all to tie against Fritz and Junior. If you add up >>the great results against the 2 betas I mentioned, then you have that Shredder >>did very well in my games. I have been not surpised at all at Shredder's >>performance in London. I expected it to do very well in there and I'm glad it >>did. > >After knowing that Shredder won the WMCCC people could expect Shredder to win >Junior6a and Fritz6b because My guess was that Fritz6 beta is better than >Fritz6b(I understood that Fritz6b is available with the young talents) It is. >I also remember the prediction by Marcus Kästner that chessbase is not going to >win because other programs(probably Shredder) are at least 50 elo better than >Fritz6a. The X program of Marcus wasn't Shredder. >after reading it everything that is less than a win for Shredder is >disappointing. That's irrational. Shredder is great, but not invincible. These top programs are very close to each other. Enrique >Uri
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