Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 16:49:07 08/26/00
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On August 26, 2000 at 14:32:26, Pete Galati wrote:
>On August 26, 2000 at 13:35:59, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On August 26, 2000 at 13:32:33, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>
>>>On August 25, 2000 at 17:43:12, Albert Silver wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 25, 2000 at 05:48:49, Roger Kyte wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 24, 2000 at 10:37:09, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On August 24, 2000 at 05:47:35, Roger Kyte wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On August 23, 2000 at 23:18:29, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On August 23, 2000 at 21:47:04, Roger Kyte wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On August 23, 2000 at 02:25:13, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It is nice to meet people in person. If you haven't gone to one of these, and
>>>>>>>>>>you have a program, I recommend that you go. You'll meet some interesting
>>>>>>>>>>people, and learn a lot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If things are done over the internet, there is less communication and less
>>>>>>>>>>common experience.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I'm happy to go, I just don't want it always to be me who pays for the 11-hour
>>>>>>>>>>plane trip.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>bruce
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You complain that it costs money to participate in a prize fund match.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Also, you do not release your program as an engine for sale, perhaps as a
>>>>>>>>>chessbase engine, this would also cover your expenses and then some.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I think you have to take part of the blame for your financial woes and not blame
>>>>>>>>>others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I don't see it that way. It's just not Crafty's nature to be a money making
>>>>>>>>machine. Same thing with several other programs there. It's rather pointless
>>>>>>>>to turn the tournament into something that is only posible to compete in if you
>>>>>>>>have a comercial program. Besides, why would he have turned Crafty into a
>>>>>>>>commercial program in anticipation of this event? Doesn't make sense to me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Pete
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Crafty ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Note the thread header 'Re: WMCC/Ferret?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How did Crafty get in here, Crafty cannot make money because of an agreement
>>>>>>>between, Dr. Hyatt and the University he works for, he cannot make money on the
>>>>>>>program, hence it is freeware.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Remember, I was only discussing Ferret. Please read my posts _carefully_ before
>>>>>>>you comment. Bye
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That was reckless of me. But apply the exact same thing I said about Crafty to
>>>>>>Ferret. It still applies. Bruce could turn Ferret into a commercial venture,
>>>>>>but all for the sake of an occasional tournament? No, it's not going to happen
>>>>>>for the sake of covering tournament costs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Pete
>>>>>
>>>>>Last year he came in second and could certainly have sold his engine as a CB
>>>>>engine. He chose not too. Now he complains he has no money for tournaments. I
>>>>>think Bruce has only one person to blame, instead of trying to hang others for
>>>>>his own poor decisions.
>>>>
>>>>Odd that you complain about others not reading your posts carefully when you
>>>>yourself have completely distorted what Bruce posted.
>>>>
>>>>Here is what he said in http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?125741 :
>>>>
>>>>"I'm also a little grumpy because the event hasn't been held in North America
>>>>for approximately forever, and I've had to pay for a big plane ticket every time
>>>>it's been in Europe. Every time in recent memory that the event has been
>>>>outside of Europe, there has been travel support. I am concerned that the event
>>>>is turning into a European championship."
>>>>
>>>>Note there is no mention of financial woes involved. The question is one of
>>>>equality for all. Quite American.
>>>>
>>>> Albert Silver
>>>
>>>The event really needs to be in North America, but perhaps it's too late, and
>>>nobody would go unless they got travel support.
>>>
>>>In the past it's been pretty easy to fill a 24-entrant roster, but this time
>>>there were 14. So maybe $100 or whatever the fee was, plus a trip to the edge
>>>of Europe (as opposed to the center), was enough to drive away almost half the
>>>field this time.
>>>
>>>bruce
>>
>>There were other factors.
>>
>>Dark thought is not playing because they did not know that they can play and
>>only 2 weeks before the event the rules were changed and alpha was allowed.
>>
>>Uri
>
>Without a doubt something was wrong when rules changed like that. And I'm not
>saying that Alphas shouldn't have been allowed, but it looks like poor planning
>in the first place if somehow Alpha originally wasn't allowed.
>
>I would have liked to have seen Dark Thought show up. The more strong programs
>the better, but I'm glad you don't have to be one of the heavy weights to be
>there.
>
>Pete
The absence of Dark Thought was indeed unfortunate, as Ernst has been one of the
most prolific conributor of the field in the last year(s).
Christophe
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