Author: Eddie
Date: 11:08:50 08/27/00
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On August 27, 2000 at 13:12:22, Detlef Pordzik wrote: >On August 27, 2000 at 12:03:12, Eddie wrote: > >>On August 27, 2000 at 09:49:28, Detlef Pordzik wrote: >> >>>On August 27, 2000 at 02:15:27, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>> >>>>Yes, I am and the book is 2 years later than M-Chess one. This means that there >>>>are 2 more years work improvements behind it! >>>> >>>>Of course I had to change a lot to make it suitable to the new program, but >>>>overall results seems to indicate that when the new Shredder 5.0 will be >>>>available with my book it should be rated about 80 points higher than Fritz 6a. >>>> >>>>Maybe more, but it is very difficult to know the correct Elo in advance. But >>>>this gives you the figure of the improvements we have made. This is why we >>>>believed we have very good chances to win the championship. Of course one needs >>>>luck also, not only a good program! >>>> >>>>Sandro >>> >>>I am not so sure if I interpret all this correct, maybe it's just a wrong >>>intention or assumption of mine. >>>I sure do credit and respect your work and professionalism from your time >>>together with Marty way back when. >>>But I don't think this gives you the right to critisize and disrespect, what you >>>can't measure nor have any insights. >>>Until Sh3 the book was made by SMK himself - for the Sh 4 I was engaged by >>>Millenium to create an entirely new book for the prog, right from the scratch. >>> >>>May I draw your attention towards the fact, that this 132 Megs book had it's >>>reasonable share for the disguised rating on SSDF, scored extremely well vs the >>>at that time state-of-the art competitors ? >>>Nobody is perfect, for sure, and I would have needed 2 more years at least to >>>tighten it up, but we couldn't agree on a continue. >>>Yet, all preferences had to be done + set by hand/manually -as you should know, >>>and these preferences are MY understanding of the way, this product should play. >>>Which turned out to be not that failiure, as evidence gave proof. >>> >>>So, I wish you all the very best for the future of your cooking, and I mean it. >>>But I think you really should stick it to measure, balance, critisize and >>>whatsoever more of the job of your comrades in this very particular, small >>>secenery of book cookers. >>> >>>Pleasant sunday, Sandro >>> >>>ELVIS >> >>Hi Elvis! >> >>How you doing over there in Spenge?!! :) What's up with Atti? And Lapo too? >> >>Shredder came out of the opening very poorly in 3 games during the tournament. >>Yet it still held on to take the title ..... >> >>So, in your opinion, is the cooked opening book more important THAN the strength >>of the engine? I'm just wondering here with all this talk of the new book ..... >> >>Anyway, chat with ya later -- Queenie says hi too ..... :)) > >Hi, my good man - > >everything stable in the green backyards of Germany..... > >concerning weak lines - they quite naturally occure in allmost ANY book - maybe >the only existing different example under this view is the one of A.Kure for >NIMZO - but, if so, he had ages of time to trim it under these aspects. >Nevetheless : >for my personal opinion it isn't of that importance every time, if a prog gets >out of his book and shows a minus evaluation right after. >At least me - I was much more interested if it "understood" the resulting >middlegame and therefore could turn the page during the game. >But : that's MY style of interpreting the job - maybe Sandro or the others see >this totally different; it has to be respected anyway. > >As far as the general worthy of the book is concerned : >having tournaments + their commercial importance in mind, the book sure is of >major importance to "show" the product the most successful lines - >in general it should be balanced with a grain of salt - it's an important PART >of the show, not less but sure not more. >In the end it's allways the code who's gotta do the job - but, no doubts, you >can give him a hard time or make his day if showing him weak lines, for sure. > >Did this explain things a lil' clearer ? > >ELVIS Oh yes that cleared up the whole situation! Thanks a lot Elvis .... :)) I can't even imagine the work that it takes for you "book cookers" to get every move right. Too many possibilities .... Maybe when I get some free time I'll create a book myself! HA!! Of course I'll have you look it over for any slight flaws it may contain ... if any :) In the mean time, keep on rockin' .... :))
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