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Subject: Re: MCP7 and DOS obstinacy

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 13:43:28 12/04/97

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On December 04, 1997 at 10:49:21, Amir Ban wrote:

>On December 04, 1997 at 05:43:47, Peter Herttrich wrote:
>
>>On December 03, 1997 at 18:42:04, Chris Whittington wrote:
>>
>>
>
>>Then, from what you are talking? WIN95 is no OS! It's a GUI!
>>You don't believe it? Ever made the 'mode co80 test'?
>>If you drive down your WIN95, wait for the 'You can now switch off the
>>computer'. Now type blind 'mode co80'. Voila, DOS7! Clean and pure.
>>
>>This combination of software (DOS7 and the WIN95GUI) is  the biggest
>>pile of software-shit, i've ever seen.
>>And this makes the trouble with installing and running.
>>
>>I will never understand why Mickey-Soft has not build a real 32Bit-
>>DOS and then a usable GUI.
>>
>
>This is a very wrong description of Windows.
>
>Windows is a true O/S, and has been since version 3.0. Its real kernel
>is the VMM and the VxD's, which are 32-bit protected mode code, and have
>nothing to do with DOS. Windows 3.x had to be started from DOS, so there
>was a misconception that Windows runs on top of DOS. In reality the DOS
>support that exists in Windows runs on top of Windows. Microsoft of
>course always wanted DOS programs to run on Windows, so Windows has a
>DOS emulator through int 21 hex. In the past large parts of this DOS
>emulator were taken from the original DOS code itself, especially the
>FAT file-system. In Windows 95, almost the entire DOS emulator is 32-bit
>protected-mode code.
>
>Windows still briefly goes through DOS 7.0 for bootstrapping, but once
>the system is up, DOS 7.0 is not in charge.
>
>Regarding plug-n-play, you can argue about its success, but you have to
>give due credit to Microsoft for making a serious effort to solve a
>problem that they correctly see as making systems not to work and
>keeping ordinary users away from computers. DOS never even thought of
>this, and the highly-praised Unix is still in the stone age in that
>regard.
>
>Amir
>
>
>>Peter

You were doing so well until your last sentence.  :)  I am running linux
on
everything I own.  No hassles.  Works with all the video devices I have
tried, ditto for motherboards, processors, sound, etc.  Unix is harder
to
use than win95, *unless* you use unix and x-windows.  Then you can even
get a win95-like window manager and pretend you are using win95 if you
insist.  :)

But unix is a *long* way from the stone age.  IE TCP/IP, SMP support,
process management, memory management.  Oh yes, can you spell "file
system security and permissions?"  :)




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