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Subject: Re: Questions to be answered in the WMCCC.

Author: Marcus Kaestner

Date: 02:56:45 08/28/00

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>>>>Which program had the best opening book? Shredder 5.0
>>
>>you must be kidding!
>>shredder´s book was so very bad that shredder was named there "houdini-chess"
>>because first he has had to untie himself.
>>
>>sorry, but it was one of the worst one´s.
>
>A good book is not a book that leads you to better positions but a book that
>lead you to better result.

i have the same opinion, but against nimzo and rebel the book leaded into a
loss.

>
>I read that the 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.f3 line shredder has more than 90% result and
>if it is the case  this line was a very good line.

i didn´t say that this line is bad.

>
>I read that the line against Sos was also good.
>
>I do not say that book of shredder was the best but I disagree that it was one
>of the worst

who was more worse?

>
>
>>alex´book was BY FAR the best and there is NO doubt about that.
>>having killer line´s but also with hardly a whole.
>>
>>>>Which program had the worst opening book?
>>
>>here you can say shredder.
>>
>>>>Which program had the best middlegame? Junior
>>
>>i prefer fritz
>>
>I was impressed by the way that Junior played the middle game against
>Shredder,Rebel and tiger.

yes, but did you forget the games against sos and diep and zchess?

>
>Fritz could get nothing in the middle game against Junior so I prefer
>Junior(london) in the middle game.

me not, because his unstable playing. fritz was stable.

>>
>>not so very clear. rebel has the best evaluation, tiger the best search and
>>fritz the best combination of these two points. bt for me it is clear, that
>>these four programs are dominating at the moment.
>
>It is not clear.
>
>Junior was the most interesting program in the event.

i do not think so.

>I think that this program did the biggest change relative to previous versions.

no. it was rebel or shredder, maybe tiger. no doubt for me.

>
>Sometimes the change was good(see the games against Rebel and tiger)
>Sometimes the change caused trouble when Junior played h5 against shredder or
>let nimzo to win it by sacrificing the exchange.
>
>I know that Rebel is a preprocessor so I doubt if it has the best evaluation.
>I do not like preprocessors for analysis.
>I may analyze a position when the computer say that white have an advantage when
>after castling the computer suddenly say that black has an advantage when it
>cannot see deeper.

i think, that rebel has the most stable eval (together with junior) of all
programs.

>>with a reasonable book i predict tiger to overrun shredder.
>
>You forget the fact that shredder can also improve the book.

of course.
however, the shredder book was compiled to his style.
tiger only used the rebel book, with fits under no circumstances to his style.

marcus



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