Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 06:52:39 08/28/00
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On August 27, 2000 at 17:25:55, Marcus Kaestner wrote: >>>Which program had the best opening book? Shredder 5.0 > >you must be kidding! >shredder´s book was so very bad that shredder was named there "houdini-chess" >because first he has had to untie himself. > >sorry, but it was one of the worst one´s. Shredder book is strategically very good. Look at its spanish lines with white and its line against caro-kann. It allows the opponents to make a lot of mistakes strategically spoken. Like allowing dxe4 against Zchess. Obviously it is not the worst book. It's a very well tested book. Only superseeded by the Kure book and Noomen preparation. I found Noomen prepared the best for the WMCC. Because of the many fritz interfaces and not having the worst engines, Kure scored however most points on book. Also the fact that many books at WMCC still relied heavily on automatically generated books favours Kure a lot. The Shredder book doesn't kill you like those books do. However instead it allows you to slowly die into a position where shredder will play well. Also don't forget that when preparing a shredder book you CAN allow shredder to play a few moves on its own, Kure hardly can't. He's not allowed to use a real good engine with his book! Worst were by far Crafty and DIEP. In the game diep-crafty we were both at the same time out of book. Regrettably for crafty it played o-o there. >alex´book was BY FAR the best and there is NO doubt about that. >having killer line´s but also with hardly a whole. > >>>Which program had the worst opening book? > >here you can say shredder. > >>>Which program had the best middlegame? Junior >i prefer fritz I found all programs suck still in the middlegame. >>>Which program had the worst middlegame? >>>Which program was the best in the endgame? Shredder 5.0 >yes, but even close rebel and tiger. Not near to that. Shredder ruled in the endgame by a large margin, no one even getting close. I remember that Fritz had quite a good position against Shredder when the endgame started. With a bit better endgame and just playing the expected moves of Shredder, then fritz would have won against Shredder. >>>Which program was the worst in the endgame? >>>Which program is best in closed positions? Rebel > >ok Rebel/Tiger sure do well in closed positions compared to others. Also i find Fritz improved here. >>>Which program is best in noticing attacks and attacking? Shredder 5.0 > >i would prefer junior. Junior is very bad here. For example it didn't see a thing when DIEP attacked it. Also Shredder is not very good in attacking opponents kings. The game DIEP-Crafty where diep played completely without book after o-o is a clear example of a good attack from white. >>>Which program is best in defense? Shredder 5.0 > >no doubt. idem. Also i find that Insomniac did a very good job here. Notice the tough game Nimzo-Insomniac and the endgame Insomniac-DIEP. >>>Which program is best in playing human players? Shredder 5.0 > >no, no, no. much better is rebel. This WMCC has not proven a thing about this. Usual aggressive programs do very well here. Like Fritz, Nimzo, Lambchop, ZarkovX, Gandalf and DIEP are very aggressive programs. They'll do much better against humans as the other programs. Just look on the internet. Also crafty has become a bit less defensive as it used to be. >>>Finally, which program is best overall? Shedder 5.0 > >not so very clear. rebel has the best evaluation, tiger the best search and >fritz the best combination of these two points. bt for me it is clear, that >these four programs are dominating at the moment. >with a reasonable book i predict tiger to overrun shredder. Comon the tiger book at WMCC was way better as Shredder. Tiger even got won out of book against the big Kure book with the novelty as played in the Fritz-Tiger game. >maybe shredder is now 10 points above tiger and shredder and fritz. when all the >new versions will be released in autumn you will see shredder not any more >there. take it as a prediction. not more, not less. In several respects a lot of programs are close indeed. Yet the endgame of Shredder, despite that i don't find its middlegame very impressive, this endgame simply rules and prevents it from losing positions. See my report on DIEP(eveen) to the WMCC about my opinion here.
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