Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 11:01:58 08/28/00
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On August 28, 2000 at 05:56:45, Marcus Kaestner wrote:
>>>>>Which program had the best opening book? Shredder 5.0
>>>
>>>you must be kidding!
>>>shredder´s book was so very bad that shredder was named there "houdini-chess"
>>>because first he has had to untie himself.
>>>
>>>sorry, but it was one of the worst one´s.
>>
>>A good book is not a book that leads you to better positions but a book that
>>lead you to better result.
>
>i have the same opinion, but against nimzo and rebel the book leaded into a
>loss.
>
>>
>>I read that the 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.f3 line shredder has more than 90% result and
>>if it is the case this line was a very good line.
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>i didn´t say that this line is bad.
>
>>
>>I read that the line against Sos was also good.
>>
>>I do not say that book of shredder was the best but I disagree that it was one
>>of the worst
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>who was more worse?
>
>>
>>
>>>alex´book was BY FAR the best and there is NO doubt about that.
>>>having killer line´s but also with hardly a whole.
>>>
>>>>>Which program had the worst opening book?
>>>
>>>here you can say shredder.
>>>
>>>>>Which program had the best middlegame? Junior
>>>
>>>i prefer fritz
>>>
>>I was impressed by the way that Junior played the middle game against
>>Shredder,Rebel and tiger.
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>yes, but did you forget the games against sos and diep and zchess?
>
>>
>>Fritz could get nothing in the middle game against Junior so I prefer
>>Junior(london) in the middle game.
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>me not, because his unstable playing. fritz was stable.
>
>>>
>>>not so very clear. rebel has the best evaluation, tiger the best search and
>>>fritz the best combination of these two points. bt for me it is clear, that
>>>these four programs are dominating at the moment.
>>
>>It is not clear.
>>
>>Junior was the most interesting program in the event.
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>i do not think so.
>
>>I think that this program did the biggest change relative to previous versions.
>
>no. it was rebel or shredder, maybe tiger. no doubt for me.
If you want my humble opinion, I think that Rebel is the program that has
improved the most.
If someone is looking for an atomic bomb, I would say: "keep an eye on Rebel.
From your blockhouse".
Christophe
>>Sometimes the change was good(see the games against Rebel and tiger)
>>Sometimes the change caused trouble when Junior played h5 against shredder or
>>let nimzo to win it by sacrificing the exchange.
>>
>>I know that Rebel is a preprocessor so I doubt if it has the best evaluation.
>>I do not like preprocessors for analysis.
>>I may analyze a position when the computer say that white have an advantage when
>>after castling the computer suddenly say that black has an advantage when it
>>cannot see deeper.
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>i think, that rebel has the most stable eval (together with junior) of all
>programs.
>
>>>with a reasonable book i predict tiger to overrun shredder.
>>
>>You forget the fact that shredder can also improve the book.
>
>of course.
>however, the shredder book was compiled to his style.
>tiger only used the rebel book, with fits under no circumstances to his style.
>
>marcus
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