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Subject: Re: Fail highs..which subsequently fail low

Author: Alessandro Damiani

Date: 14:09:22 08/28/00

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On August 28, 2000 at 09:35:52, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On August 27, 2000 at 17:33:15, Tom King wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>a question for programmers on fail highs.
>
>>what do you do in your program if a fail high is encountered, which on the
>>research fails low?
>
>>I've ignored this issue, because it doesn't seem to happen all that often (in my
>>program). So if my program finds a move which fails high, even if the research
>>indicates that it maybe shouldn't have failed high, it thinks the move is good.
>>Maybe this is bad? At the WMCCC recently, I noticed a couple of these fail high/
>>fail low moves cropping up at critical, complex positions. Often I was unhappy
>>with the move my program chose in these cases. Perhaps these fail high/ fail low
>>moves need to be treated with suspicion?
>
>Past few years i've experimented quite a lot with forward pruning in
>DIEP. So historically i simply ignore a fail high anyway. I do some time
>extension on fail highs. If they fail low afterwards they don't get
>noticed anyway as i ONLY play the move which with an infinite window
>for beta has given a PV.
>
>However in London i was very unhappy about the fact that many good moves
>short after book failed high without having time to research them.
>Good example is the Ng4? line against Francesca. Nd5 was failing high.
>
>>Cheers,
>>Tom

What about researching the fail-high move with the window (alpha, INFINITY)?
Since alpha is the current best score you already have a best move, in case the
fail-high move fails low after the research.

Alessandro



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