Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 05:52:51 12/05/97
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On December 05, 1997 at 06:22:12, Ed Schröder wrote: >I have added the great results of Rebel9, Hiarcs6 and CM5000 on the >Dominican tournament (126 players in total) to the Rebel Home Page. >Also the available computer games are downloadable. > >See WWW.REBEL.NL > >I want to thank Manuel for all the information he supplied to me. > >General Tournament Information > >Tournament Dominican Republic >Sponsor SAMANEL >Time control 40 in 2:00, 1:00 all >Prize money 3,000 US dollar >Participants (human) Many IM and FM (in total 123 people) >Participants (comp) Rebel 9.0 (Pentium 225 Mhz) >Participants (comp) Hiarcs 6.0 (Pentium 266 Mhz) >Participants (comp) ChessMaster 5000 (Pentium 300 Mhz) > > >Final Tournament Ranking > >Place Name Points Rounds Buchholz > 1 REBEL 9.0 10.0 11 82.0 > 2 Hiarcs 6.0 8.5 11 83.0 > 3 Nelson Pinal (IM) 8.5 11 80.0 > 4 Manuel Dominguez (FM) 8.5 11 79.5 > 5 Gustavo Hermandez (IM) 8.0 11 78.0 > 6 Fernando Cabrera 8.0 11 74.5 > 7 ChessMaster 5000 8.0 11 73.0 > 8 Luis Arzeno 8.0 11 71.0 > 9 Salvador Potentini 8.0 11 66.5 >10 Ramon Mateo (IM) 7.5 11 81.5 > >Bob, do you now finally believe the current micro's play "at least" >on IM level on tournament time control :)) > >- Ed Schroder - Unless I am terribly forgetful, I believe I have said this all along. I don't believe they play at the GM level yet. They are tactically strong enough that anyone can get into trouble until humans learn how to play against computers. But the GM players know "oh so much more" than all of the micros added together that the micros are simply not there yet... I don't know any of the IM players above. I do know several on the chess servers and every one of them are stronger against computers than the above group. The problem is that humans adapt. Again, rig up an automatic interface and play on any server where there are IM and GM players. Then come back and tell me how far behind the good humans you really think you are, after watching. IE from what I have seen, both Rebel and Genius will have severe problems with the "attackers" because of the way you do king safety. In the few games I've seen Rebel 8/9 play against these players, it has a hard time deciding what is going on, and often attacks when it thinks it is appropriate, but it seems to not under- stand diagonals and attacks from pieces across the board. Against *most* players, this isn't a problem. Against "computer-aware" opponents, it is a *serious* flaw. you just haven't encountered those "computer-aware" opponents in any numbers yet. If you visit ICC, I'll be happy to introduce you to a few. :) I have met them myself. They are a tough lot. But you have to do this with an automatic interface so they can play enough games to become familiar with what you can/can't handle... one or two isn't enough. I've entered tournaments similar to the one above and finished in first place as well. But in looking at the games, I can clearly see who should have won. IE Crafty won last year's Pan Am tournament here in the states, with some really strong competition in that event. But it isn't a GM. It isn't even a "near-the-top IM". I don't think any are. *yet*. We are getting by on a little knowledge and a lot of search. There are players that can search as well, and have a *lot* more knowledge. They are a big problem...
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