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Subject: Re: DIEP in WMCCC2000 London - long story

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 10:26:36 08/29/00

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On August 29, 2000 at 12:21:16, Uri Blass wrote:

>I think that the pairing in the last round was fair because
>zchess had weaker opponents than Sos(even after the last round I found that Sos
>had a better opponents score.
>
>The sum of Sos opponent score is 39.5 when the sum of zchess oppont score was
>only 36.

This is all peanuts compared to playing for the world title. Note
that SOP is not a real fair comparision measure. It's just a method.
It doesn't say much significant.

The most significant thing is how many points you have. what they did now
was pairing zchess against shredder and giving SOS a free point.

If zchess would win against shredder then it would not get the
amateur title but the overall title as well IMHO.

Before the 8th round you don't know anything about who you play in
the 9th round when your name is SOS and zchess. SOS was lucky to have
a few SOP more. The pairing IS ridicioulous considering that it was
changed the rounds before that in favour of junior for simpel reasons.

Now we don't know who is better. SOS or Zchess?

THEY DIDN'T PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>Zchess cannot complain about unjustice in the pairing.

The whole pairing was changed because of AMIRs fear for SOP. Now the last
round SOS gets the world title for free, the rest simply doesn't
count.

So let's face it:

Both zchess and insomniac were hurt by this. Note that with either pairing
Insomniac would make a pretty small chance.

it had 0.5 points less so the most achievable would be a match
versus the other program with 5 points.

What is fairer as PLAYING for the world title? I mean both had 4.5
points. Winner has world title. If draw then 2 programs are tied to
play another game. Possibly Insomniac might join that.

>The program that can complain about unjustice not because of the pairing is
>insomniac that is the real amatuer world champion.

>Sos is sold as part of the young talent and by definition is a professional
>program.

I'm sure that Rudolf didn't get rich by this deal.

paying 250 is a bloody shame anyway. It's a way too high entry fee.
Not to mention 500. Why pay 500? Let them be happy that there are
commercials playing!

Just the FACT that you create conditions which give persons reasons to
NOT join, like Johan de Koning, that's bad.

Johan de Koning WAS in london by the way. He joined a different computer
game. Let's not give him a SINGLE reason to not join.

He has one now.

The entry fee is ridicioulous. They didn't even have an internet
connection where they neded to pay for. Basically a few power cables
was all what was needed and a small place in the hall. The price for
making a small board mentionning : "WMCC" they didn't even make.

>Chessbase could do it amatuer by not selling it before the WMCCC but they did
>not do it.

Oh well when chessbase can make some money i'm sure they don't care that
Rudolf might possibly pay more money entry fee. That's not exactly
chessbase style. Ask them how 'well' they cared for Frans Morsch, Alex Kure
and Amir Ban.

>Uri



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