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Subject: knowlege versus search

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 11:17:23 08/29/00

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On August 29, 2000 at 14:10:26, Ernst A. Heinz wrote:

>Hi Diepeveen,
>
>>Especially seeing what the shortcomings were is very interesting for
>>the future. That it looks like a big excuse for what is wrong, as
>>dr. Ernst A. Heinz suggested after previous report in 1999
>>sure isn't the truth. Without analysis you
>>can't continue. In fact how many THINGS have you read about the
>>WMCC yet? Probably nothing except the results of the games and
>>some people who still call shredder 'lucky' to win the world championship
>>tournament for the 3rd time. Without seeing things that are wrong or went
>>wrong you can't improve anyway. Note that what is in here is MY VIEWPOINT.
>>It is NOT the viewpoint of any organisation or company. If people disagree
>>and quote, please let them not quote a single line, but the whole picture;
>>the reason for that is quite obvious: i'm born in a country where we don't
>>speak much english, so misformulations of a single line should be taken
>>with a bit of salt. It's the whole picture that makes the story!
>>
>>Note that the basic difference between Heinz and me seems to be that i can play
>>some chess, about 2254 points higher rated and therefore i realize very clearly
>>what's happening in the computer chess world, where Heinz still says that it
>>is not proven that knowledge works!
>
>The difference between "Heinz" and you seems to be that "Heinz"
>does not take anything for granted unless sufficiently proven,
>whereas you, "Diepeveen", hold your personal convictions as
>divine truths which you feel enlightened to spread like a
>crusader.
>
>My reply to your garbage above is simply as follows.
>
>1.  I never said that knowledge does not work. Actually, I have
>    always supported a balanced "fast and smart" approach. At the
>    same time, I do neither believe in knowledge as the one and
>    only solution to all open challenges in computer chess.
>
>2.  Although you are obviously unable to grasp and remember what
>    I have already told you about my own chess playing, here we go
>    again: I no longer play competitive chess becasue I deem it far
>    too time consuming; yet, my last OTB rating was around 100 Ingo
>    (the then German rating system) which translates to more than
>    2000 ELO if I am not mistaken. So much about your stupid claim
>    of rating 2254 points higher ...
>
>Do I need to say more about your other claims?
>
>=Ernst=


How many world championships must a program which has superior knowledge
somewhere still win before you believe it?

Note that i always said thatyou need like 10-12 ply anyway.

After that searching any deeper doesn't matter at all only knowledge
is important. Obviously when searching with the same knowledge then
searching deeper helps a lot. That's a simple form of induction.

The whole 'crafty goes deep' clearly was real bad. Any chessplayer
can see this. Your 2000 rating i can't find on the FIDE list by the way.

just a PV that changes is no proof a chessplayer will ever accept.

Note that i sure want to mention that most of your research is real
good research when compared to most other researches, and that
writing a book like you did is real good.

Note that what i mentionned is NOT CRAP. it is a report about what happened
in WMCC.

I'll never see you write anything like that.




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