Author: Uri Blass
Date: 11:50:58 08/29/00
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On August 29, 2000 at 13:26:36, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On August 29, 2000 at 12:21:16, Uri Blass wrote: > >>I think that the pairing in the last round was fair because >>zchess had weaker opponents than Sos(even after the last round I found that Sos >>had a better opponents score. >> >>The sum of Sos opponent score is 39.5 when the sum of zchess oppont score was >>only 36. > >This is all peanuts compared to playing for the world title. Note >that SOP is not a real fair comparision measure. It's just a method. >It doesn't say much significant. > >The most significant thing is how many points you have. what they did now >was pairing zchess against shredder and giving SOS a free point. > >If zchess would win against shredder then it would not get the >amateur title but the overall title as well IMHO. > >Before the 8th round you don't know anything about who you play in >the 9th round when your name is SOS and zchess. SOS was lucky to have >a few SOP more. The pairing IS ridicioulous considering that it was >changed the rounds before that in favour of junior for simpel reasons. I disagree. Junior played only against one weak program pqexpert when part of the programs above Junior played against the 2 weakest players. I did not find that chessbase earned from the pairing(the opposite- they suffered from the pairing). If you calculate the deserved rating you will find that chessbase deserved better place for Junior and nimzo. I did it(I assumed that the result repeat again and again and found that the order of programs by rating give better place for Junior and nimzo,Sos deserved worse place but it is only because of the fact that nimzo suffered from the pairing) > >Now we don't know who is better. SOS or Zchess? We could not know by one tournament who is better but the tournament suggests that Sos is better. We have information about other results. Zchess lost against Fritz when Sos drew with Fritz. Zchess drew with Junior when Sos almost won Junior(it could win Junior if it had the KQP vs KQ tablebases) <snipped> >>Sos is sold as part of the young talent and by definition is a professional >>program. > >I'm sure that Rudolf didn't get rich by this deal. This is not the point. I do not support entry fee of 500$ for professional programs because I know that professionals are not rich. I only think that the organizers should follow their definitions of professional. If the definition of professional is based on money then I suggest that they will give another definition(for example programmer who earned at least 10000$ from their commercial program). <snipped> >Oh well when chessbase can make some money i'm sure they don't care that >Rudolf might possibly pay more money entry fee. That's not exactly >chessbase style. Ask them how 'well' they cared for Frans Morsch, Alex Kure >and Amir Ban. I believe that if Amir Ban,Frans Morsch or Alex Kure do not like the way that chessbase cared for them they can stop working for chessbase. It is not a secret that Amir Ban has a full time job not in computer chess and I believe that there are less than 5 people in the world who can live from computer chess. Uri
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