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Subject: Re: DIEP in WMCCC2000 London - long story

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 12:11:55 08/29/00

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On August 29, 2000 at 14:14:51, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On August 29, 2000 at 11:50:00, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On August 29, 2000 at 11:44:24, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>I can say that Fritz did not get a winning position out of book against Crafty.
>>>
>>>I found that Crafty17.11 can find 21.Nxe6 against Fritz with more time.
>>>[D]1r2kb1r/2qb1p2/p3pP2/1pp5/3NP2p/P1N2Q2/2P4P/1K1R1BR1 w k - 0 1
>>>
>>>
>>>Unfortunately Crafty did not have good alpha that it probably needed in order to
>>>find this move.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Oh well Fritz searching 13 ply extending lots of checks and doing
>>checks in qsearch against crafty with crafty a king nearly mated and
>>searching 12 to 13 ply without doing checks in qsearch. Note that
>>fritz has also a lot of threat extensions.
>>
>>Crafty repeated exactly the same line as against Nimzo. Very dumb.
>>
>>So it was dead lost from all sides.
>>
>>Play 100 games crafty here against DIEP, Fritz, Nimzo, Zchess, SOS,
>>Shredder or anything that is doing either a lot of checks or doing
>>checks in qsearch. Bye Bye crafty. Crafty in Najdorf is a zero in advance
>>at icc it basically plays e6 d6 systems. NOT aggressive najdorf systems.
>>
>
>
>I think checks in the q-search is an exaggerated advantage.  I play all of
>the above programs on ICC, all the time, and I am not getting rolled into a
>ball by any of them.n  Didn't you play a bunch of games vs crafty using a
>quad 550 xeon for Diep?  Did those q-search checks make a big difference?
>
>
>
>
>>So selecting this opening is stupid in advance anyway, like i discovered
>>with DIEP in Caro-Kann.
>
>
>I don't think it is a bad opening.  I generally don't play the Sicilian as
>black against computers.  As white, I alternate between d4 and e4 openings
>so black will get a chance to play Sicilians.  At a reasonable time control,
>my quad will find nxe6.  My PII/400 notebook fails low at 5 minutes.  The
>xeon would probably fail low at the 1-1.5 min mark.  It would then use as
>much time as needed and would certainly find Nxe6.  I am surprised that the
>alpha didn't have time to find this, or at least have time to fail low at
>depth-14, which is strange.

I see from the pgn file that the alpha used only 75 seconds for playing and if
you add pondering time it is 75+38=113 seconds.

I think that Crafty simply did not use enough time for this move.

The time control was 120 minutes/60 moves.

I suspect that Crafty uses more time in 120 minutes per game than in 120 minutes
per 60 moves(at least this is the situation under chessbase interface) and it is
not logical.

Uri



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