Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 15:04:11 08/29/00
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Oh duh i forgot dudes that teach at universities or can research without doing a thing. Especially in countries like Japan it's popular thing to invent something existing as they have problems reading english. On August 29, 2000 at 17:59:29, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On August 29, 2000 at 14:50:58, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On August 29, 2000 at 13:26:36, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On August 29, 2000 at 12:21:16, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>I think that the pairing in the last round was fair because >>>>zchess had weaker opponents than Sos(even after the last round I found that Sos >>>>had a better opponents score. >>>> >>>>The sum of Sos opponent score is 39.5 when the sum of zchess oppont score was >>>>only 36. >>> >>>This is all peanuts compared to playing for the world title. Note >>>that SOP is not a real fair comparision measure. It's just a method. >>>It doesn't say much significant. >>> >>>The most significant thing is how many points you have. what they did now >>>was pairing zchess against shredder and giving SOS a free point. >>> >>>If zchess would win against shredder then it would not get the >>>amateur title but the overall title as well IMHO. >>> >>>Before the 8th round you don't know anything about who you play in >>>the 9th round when your name is SOS and zchess. SOS was lucky to have >>>a few SOP more. The pairing IS ridicioulous considering that it was >>>changed the rounds before that in favour of junior for simpel reasons. >> >>I disagree. >> >>Junior played only against one weak program pqexpert when part of the programs >>above Junior played against the 2 weakest players. > >>I did not find that chessbase earned from the pairing(the opposite- they >>suffered from the pairing). > >Yes by the last round pairing SOS would get the world title for free, >if not then fritz would tie at least with shredder as either of the >both would get eliminated. > >>If you calculate the deserved rating you will find that chessbase deserved >>better place for Junior and nimzo. > >Junior deserved another few points less. At least 1 against DIEP it >got for free. Nimzo only won games on book. Are that deserved points >too? > >>I did it(I assumed that the result repeat again and again and found that the >>order of programs by rating give better place for Junior and nimzo,Sos deserved >>worse place but it is only because of the fact that nimzo suffered from the >>pairing) > >> > >>>Now we don't know who is better. SOS or Zchess? >> >>We could not know by one tournament who is better but the tournament suggests >>that Sos is better. > >SOS sure isn't weak, but there is no doubt here: SOS had to be paired >with Zchess. > >>We have information about other results. >>Zchess lost against Fritz when Sos drew with Fritz. > >Same book against same book. SOS versus fritz was the same book >getting into an opposite bishop ending. Zchess was killed by the book. >He wouldn't play Bc4 again with zchess. > >>Zchess drew with Junior when Sos almost won Junior(it could win Junior if it had >>the KQP vs KQ tablebases) > >Another lucky game for Junior. As i said i really regret i was so asleep. > >><snipped> >>>>Sos is sold as part of the young talent and by definition is a professional >>>>program. >>> >>>I'm sure that Rudolf didn't get rich by this deal. >> >>This is not the point. >>I do not support entry fee of 500$ for professional programs because I know that >>professionals are not rich. >>I only think that the organizers should follow their definitions of >>professional. > >I wonder who got all that money. Let's see: > Let's say about 4000$ they got for entry fee? > >That without any prize money to pay!!! > >>If the definition of professional is based on money then I suggest that they >>will give another definition(for example programmer who earned at least 10000$ >>from their commercial program). > >Oh well, i see it this way > - there is no prize money so only costs are the rent of the room. > the room was rented anyway so this could be done low budget. > - any huge entry fee will always prevent certain programmers from entering. > >Just don't give them an excuse to be away. > >><snipped> >>>Oh well when chessbase can make some money i'm sure they don't care that >>>Rudolf might possibly pay more money entry fee. That's not exactly >>>chessbase style. Ask them how 'well' they cared for Frans Morsch, Alex Kure >>>and Amir Ban. >> >>I believe that if Amir Ban,Frans Morsch or Alex Kure do not like the way that >>chessbase cared for them they can stop working for chessbase. > >If world would be that simple. How does frans morsch sell his program? >No normal dude in the world realizes for example that Chessica and >Fritz are the same program. Only the few freaks here at CCC might know it. > >If you sign for such a thing you're tight. I'm sure it's hard to get away >then. It would take a lot of time for most to develop their own interface >anyway, or find a new interface (not many around). Some probably have >signed also for exclusivity or are tied by one or another contract. > >Life is not THAT simple Uri. > >>It is not a secret that Amir Ban has a full time job not in computer chess and I >>believe that there are less than 5 people in the world who can live from >>computer chess. > >Oh well let's count > - 20 salesmanagers/owners from chessbase > - 10 salesmanagers/owners from millennium chess system > - 40 (?) sales managers from chessmanager (just guessed 40) > - 10 (?) programmers > >I still didn't add Seifritz and other similar dudes to that. > >I guess we end up in total with a 100 people or so. > >That's pretty little compared to other games, not to mention if we >look to luxury things as sportcars. > >>Uri
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