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Subject: Re: DIEP in WMCCC2000 London - long story

Author: Peter McKenzie

Date: 16:40:38 08/29/00

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On August 29, 2000 at 18:38:07, Bruce Moreland wrote:

>On August 29, 2000 at 14:10:26, Ernst A. Heinz wrote:
>
>>Hi Diepeveen,
>>
>>>Especially seeing what the shortcomings were is very interesting for
>>>the future. That it looks like a big excuse for what is wrong, as
>>>dr. Ernst A. Heinz suggested after previous report in 1999
>>>sure isn't the truth. Without analysis you
>>>can't continue. In fact how many THINGS have you read about the
>>>WMCC yet? Probably nothing except the results of the games and
>>>some people who still call shredder 'lucky' to win the world championship
>>>tournament for the 3rd time. Without seeing things that are wrong or went
>>>wrong you can't improve anyway. Note that what is in here is MY VIEWPOINT.
>>>It is NOT the viewpoint of any organisation or company. If people disagree
>>>and quote, please let them not quote a single line, but the whole picture;
>>>the reason for that is quite obvious: i'm born in a country where we don't
>>>speak much english, so misformulations of a single line should be taken
>>>with a bit of salt. It's the whole picture that makes the story!
>>>
>>>Note that the basic difference between Heinz and me seems to be that i can play
>>>some chess, about 2254 points higher rated and therefore i realize very clearly
>>>what's happening in the computer chess world, where Heinz still says that it
>>>is not proven that knowledge works!
>>
>>The difference between "Heinz" and you seems to be that "Heinz"
>>does not take anything for granted unless sufficiently proven,
>>whereas you, "Diepeveen", hold your personal convictions as
>>divine truths which you feel enlightened to spread like a
>>crusader.
>>
>>My reply to your garbage above is simply as follows.
>>
>>1.  I never said that knowledge does not work. Actually, I have
>>    always supported a balanced "fast and smart" approach. At the
>>    same time, I do neither believe in knowledge as the one and
>>    only solution to all open challenges in computer chess.
>>
>>2.  Although you are obviously unable to grasp and remember what
>>    I have already told you about my own chess playing, here we go
>>    again: I no longer play competitive chess becasue I deem it far
>>    too time consuming; yet, my last OTB rating was around 100 Ingo
>>    (the then German rating system) which translates to more than
>>    2000 ELO if I am not mistaken. So much about your stupid claim
>>    of rating 2254 points higher ...
>>
>>Do I need to say more about your other claims?
>>
>>=Ernst=
>
>With Vincent, you have to take the whole package.  He has firmly held opinions,
>and when he aims one of these at you, you have to duck and grab your shoes.  He
>also has a lot of insight, he can direct his most cutting criticisms at himself
>as well as at others, his mother is a great cook, and if you ask him he'll haul
>you and your computer clear across northern Europe.
>
>So as someone who likes you both, I ask you to laugh this off and attempt to
>stay on civil terms.

I'll second that!
Yet to experience the cooking though :-)

>
>bruce



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