Author: Tony Werten
Date: 04:51:19 08/30/00
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On August 30, 2000 at 05:19:08, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >Oh let's be real. > >Xinix couldn't even castle. Yes it can. Actually in the game against Crafty it castled too much. >Officially you have lost then, As far as I now, you don't have to castle. >as it doesn't accept legal moves. Yes it does. >Read my report instead of >the reactions on the report to see what i wrote about Diep-Xinix. > >Yet in 90% of the cases you still win as being commercial. ?? I'm not commercial. >Only very seldom in 10% of the remaining cases you draw. > >Even with e1Q in our game it would not have been that simple to draw it. I didn't say I could win, I said you had enough problems scoring the point. Tony > > >On August 30, 2000 at 02:55:26, Tony Werten wrote: > >>On August 29, 2000 at 13:26:36, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On August 29, 2000 at 12:21:16, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>I think that the pairing in the last round was fair because >>>>zchess had weaker opponents than Sos(even after the last round I found that Sos >>>>had a better opponents score. >>>> >>>>The sum of Sos opponent score is 39.5 when the sum of zchess oppont score was >>>>only 36. >>> >>>This is all peanuts compared to playing for the world title. Note >>>that SOP is not a real fair comparision measure. It's just a method. >>>It doesn't say much significant. >>> >>>The most significant thing is how many points you have. what they did now >>>was pairing zchess against shredder and giving SOS a free point. >>> >>>If zchess would win against shredder then it would not get the >>>amateur title but the overall title as well IMHO. >>> >>>Before the 8th round you don't know anything about who you play in >>>the 9th round when your name is SOS and zchess. SOS was lucky to have >>>a few SOP more. The pairing IS ridicioulous considering that it was >>>changed the rounds before that in favour of junior for simpel reasons. >>> >>>Now we don't know who is better. SOS or Zchess? >>> >>>THEY DIDN'T PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>> >>>>Zchess cannot complain about unjustice in the pairing. >>> >>>The whole pairing was changed because of AMIRs fear for SOP. Now the last >>>round SOS gets the world title for free, the rest simply doesn't >>>count. >> >>Very friendly of you. As I remember you had enough problems scoring a point >>against XiniX, so did Chess Tiger. >> >>Furthermore, ZChess had played XiniX before, you didn't complain. SOS had played >>Shredder before, you didn't complain. >> >>When going into the last round, even with SOS playing me, he still had more >>resistance points than ZChess. That means he scored the same amount of points as >>ZChess and did it against tougher opponents. >> >>In the end, he scored more points against tougher opposisition. He deserved to >>finish above ZChess. >> >>Tony >> >>> >>>So let's face it: >>> >>>Both zchess and insomniac were hurt by this. Note that with either pairing >>>Insomniac would make a pretty small chance. >>> >>>it had 0.5 points less so the most achievable would be a match >>>versus the other program with 5 points. >>> >>>What is fairer as PLAYING for the world title? I mean both had 4.5 >>>points. Winner has world title. If draw then 2 programs are tied to >>>play another game. Possibly Insomniac might join that. >>> >>>>The program that can complain about unjustice not because of the pairing is >>>>insomniac that is the real amatuer world champion. >>> >>>>Sos is sold as part of the young talent and by definition is a professional >>>>program. >>> >>>I'm sure that Rudolf didn't get rich by this deal. >>> >>>paying 250 is a bloody shame anyway. It's a way too high entry fee. >>>Not to mention 500. Why pay 500? Let them be happy that there are >>>commercials playing! >>> >>>Just the FACT that you create conditions which give persons reasons to >>>NOT join, like Johan de Koning, that's bad. >>> >>>Johan de Koning WAS in london by the way. He joined a different computer >>>game. Let's not give him a SINGLE reason to not join. >>> >>>He has one now. >>> >>>The entry fee is ridicioulous. They didn't even have an internet >>>connection where they neded to pay for. Basically a few power cables >>>was all what was needed and a small place in the hall. The price for >>>making a small board mentionning : "WMCC" they didn't even make. >>> >>>>Chessbase could do it amatuer by not selling it before the WMCCC but they did >>>>not do it. >>> >>>Oh well when chessbase can make some money i'm sure they don't care that >>>Rudolf might possibly pay more money entry fee. That's not exactly >>>chessbase style. Ask them how 'well' they cared for Frans Morsch, Alex Kure >>>and Amir Ban. >>> >>>>Uri
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