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Subject: Re: Something else and maybe final about DOS obstinacy

Author: Thorsten Czub

Date: 16:14:05 12/07/97

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>He was talking about operating systems. I knew the manager of the local
>Egghead software outlet in my area a while ago. (He has since moved on).
>During this period, Egghead went from stocking a couple shelves of OS/2
>software along with OS/2 itself, to only stocking OS/2. Since the latest
>version back then was selling quite well, I asked him why the change.
>Why stop stocking OS/2 titles? He said that he couldn't testify to this
>publicly, but that Microsoft reps had come to Egghead and told them that
>if they continued to stock OS/2 titles, they would lose the deep
>discounts they received on Microsoft Word, Excel, etc. He said he didn't
>like it, but they sold so much Microsoft product, that they could only
>comply, or they couldn't compete.

Right. This is a common method also here in germany !
If a bookshop tried to sell original Karl-May books not from the
Karl-May-publishing-firm, a guy from the Karl-May-firm came and said:
If you continue to sell these books, we will not deliver you any longer
with our books !

I call this blackmailing.
I could mention many other examples...

>
>If you attempt to buy a Micron computer without Windows 95 or NT
>installed, because you intend to put OS/2 or Linux on it, Micron will
>tell you that they cannot sell you the computer without Windows
>installed. They will not tell you why, but they won't sell it to you
>unless you buy the Windows with it.
>
>In the same fashion, DR-DOS, which was a better product than MS-DOS, was
>selling quite well, and forcing Microsoft to upgrade their stodgy DOS to
>compete. When Windows 3.1 came out, there was a sudden error message
>that would come up if you were running DR-DOS, stating that your data
>was in danger of being corrupted. If you called Microsoft about it, they
>would ask, "Are you running MS-DOS?", and when you told them DR-DOS,
>they'd tell you that it was a problem with DR-DOS that would go away if
>you switched to MS-DOS. It was later proven that the error message was a
>fake, and that it only lokked for DR-DOS, and if it found it, posted
>this message. It wouldn't corrupt your data, just scare you out of using
>DR-DOS. Digital research went out of business.

Right. I bought DR-DOS to "fight against the evil MS-DOS". I had never
problems with connecting WIN and DR-DOS because DR_DOS always had
patch-files in the internet.
DR-DOS was the better DOS: If the company behind it would have been
stronger, Microsoft would have had a serious problem.
Or if DR-DOS and the GEOWORKS people would have worked together.
Geoworks was able to run on an XT as a desktop-publishing-system with
task-switch. ON AN XT !! I think there are many genius people.And if
they would fight together against microsoft they would have good
chances, also because many people don'T like gates methods. E.g. I don't
like INtel/IBM for the same reason I don'T like Microsoft, and I waited
a long time for AMD coming out with nice CPU's like k6!
I have now 3 AMD machines. I will always help small companies fight
against BIG MONOPOL companies.


>
>Even the original Windows was a tactic to crush a competitor. At the '82
>COMDEX the talk of the show was a product called Visio. It was a
>windowed environment for PCs, and many of the major players then had
>signed up to write applications for it. Dollar Bill went around the show
>telling them that he was only "6 months" from releasing his own
>environment called "Windows", and it was so much better than Visio that
>they would waste their time writing for it. Of course, he did not even
>have the idea at that time, but started work right afterward on his
>vaporware. It was not released for two years, and it wasnot as good as
>Visio, but by that time Visio's manufacturer had gone out of business,
>as they could not sell anything, due to the lack of applications.
>
>This tactic has been repeated over and over by Gates and Ballmer. I
>recall the spin that you shouldn't write apps for OS/2 2.0, because
>Windows NT would be out in 6 months. Then when it was released a year
>and a half later, and it was a PIG, Gates admitted that no home user
>would really want it, and only 2% of all Windows users would want to
>upgrade, but that you shouldn't write applications for OS/2 2.1 because
>Windows 4.0 would be out in 6 months (i.e October of 1993). Well Windows
>4.0 became Windows '95 2.5 years later, and the saga continues...
>
>Hope this helps you understand how a company can stifle competition.
>There are other examples, of course, but this should give you the idea.
>
>kp



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