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Subject: Re: F6a v F6b Nunn 1

Author: stuart taylor

Date: 07:23:41 09/04/00

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On September 04, 2000 at 09:41:50, Chessfun wrote:

>On September 04, 2000 at 09:29:12, stuart taylor wrote:
>
>>On September 04, 2000 at 09:05:35, Chessfun wrote:
>>
>>>On September 04, 2000 at 08:07:53, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 04, 2000 at 07:20:26, stuart taylor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 04, 2000 at 03:11:50, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On September 04, 2000 at 02:55:59, Didzis Cirulis wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On September 03, 2000 at 23:54:29, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On September 03, 2000 at 21:48:44, stuart taylor wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On September 03, 2000 at 21:14:43, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>For what it's worth:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Cel 433
>>>>>>>>>>Ponder=off
>>>>>>>>>>Hash 16 Mbs
>>>>>>>>>>F6 general.ctg
>>>>>>>>>>Tablebases On.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Fritz6a W16 L24 D34 = 33/74
>>>>>>>>>>Fritz6b W24 L16 D34 = 41/74
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's a good sign! It's clearly atleast a little bit better at blitz (unless it
>>>>>>>>>is because of better opening book).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>They used the same book. general.ctg, then reversed and played again.
>>>>>>>>Clearly better after 74 games? not in my eyes.
>>>>>>>>Aside from which being stronger against itself don't translate into
>>>>>>>>being stronger against other programs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But hopefully, the difference is even bigger
>>>>>>>>>in longer games, i.e. better knowledge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>From what I read CB claim minimal differences between a & b.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I run a Gountlet tournament yesterday:
>>>>>>>60/game, 16Mb for each engine, Junior book, Celeron 500.
>>>>>>>F6b ws others like Hiarcs 7.32, Junior 6a, Crafty 17.11 and Fritz 5.32.
>>>>>>>I had to stop it to give my son a possibility to play "Heroes of Might and
>>>>>>>Magic", but after 4 rounds the typical result was 3-1 in favor of Fritz 6b.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Didzis
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After I stopped the 5 mins I started Nunn 1 matches.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>5mins
>>>>>>Fritz6a W4 L7 D9
>>>>>>Fritz6b W7 L4 D9
>>>>>>
>>>>>>10mins Just started
>>>>>>
>>>>>>25mins playing current score
>>>>>>Fritz6a W5 L1 D2
>>>>>>Fritz6b L5 W1 D2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>>
>>>>>In that case, Fritz6b may be very weak in longer games. Perhaps it comes to full
>>>>>strength at game in 5 min, but doesn't really find better moves in a longer
>>>>>time. Are you sure about the above results for game in 25?
>>>>>S.Taylor
>>>>
>>>>We should wait for more games.
>>>>
>>>>5:1(2 draws) is not a significant result.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>
>>>5mins
>>>Fritz6a W4 L7 D9
>>>Fritz6b W7 L4 D9
>>>
>>>10mins
>>>Fritz6a W7 L6 D7
>>>Fritz6b W6 L7 D7
>>>
>>>25mins playing current score
>>>Fritz6a W8 L2 D6
>>>Fritz6b W2 L8 D6
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>Sarah.
>>Wonderful! I think one can use common sense, intuition and discretion to realize
>>what this is indicating!
>>  So Fritz 6b at London was probably not at its best. So Shredder 5 is not such
>>a big catch, as Fritz 6a would have probably held it back.
>>S.Taylor
>
>
>This 6b has nothing to do with London.
>I have never seen a post stating that 6b this version was used.
>AFAIK the London version would be something totally different to this.
>
>Thanks.
>Sarah.

Oh! I don't know very much, do I!
Anyway, It still seems to be markedly weaker at longer time controls. It's
progressively like that. So I'm wondering if Fritz 7 will be based on 6b, or on
AFAIK.
S.Taylor



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