Author: Peter McKenzie
Date: 23:20:28 09/05/00
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On September 06, 2000 at 01:52:00, Ed Schröder wrote: >On September 05, 2000 at 18:22:25, Jason Williamson wrote: > >>On September 05, 2000 at 18:17:26, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>On September 05, 2000 at 17:51:28, Peter McKenzie wrote: >>> >>>>How about it Ed & Christophe? >>> >>>Hi Peter, >>> >>>I haven't changed my mind. There is still no control. Until then... >>> >>>Ed >> >>What do you mean no control? > >That nobody knows the games are 100% real. To gain creditability these >games should be played in public (on the chess club or so) so everybody >can see what you are doing. > >I understand it's an obstacle but it is my reason not to participate in >this tournament. The operator can do what he want as there is no control. >He can override moves, change the time control, force a move he likes and >and and. > >Another way (although it solves not eveything) is that somebody else (the >TD) is send the program before the games and carefully checks the moves. > >I think playing serious tournaments on Internet has a great future. More >it has the power to become a serious counterpart for the yearly world >championship computer chess if these kind of things are arranged well. > >Ed With Internet events, a certain amount of trust is required. I just don't see any way of getting around that in the near future. But consider this: does it really matter if someone tries to cheat?? Can an operator really improve a program's performance? Don't forget that the time control is quite fast (30 10, or 45 10). I think that the programs are so strong now that even if someone cheated by manually choosing different moves, it would be very tough to do any better than letting the computer play by itself. For every move a human can improve on, there are probably 2 other moves where they just stuff up. It might be easy to poke holes in computer play AFTER the game (hindsight is a wonderful thing), but not nearly so easy to do this confidently DURING the game. I guess someone could use another program to cheat with, but really lets not get too paranoid here. Most of the participants are quite well known in these circles, and seem to be pretty trustworthy. > > >>JW
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