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Subject: Re: Crafty refuses draw request

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 08:18:53 09/06/00

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On September 06, 2000 at 11:06:16, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On September 06, 2000 at 06:14:29, Amir Ban wrote:
>
>>On September 05, 2000 at 10:32:27, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On September 05, 2000 at 01:18:55, Mark Longridge wrote:
>>>
>>>>I was playing crafty the other day and white had a pawn on h7, and a knight on
>>>>g5, black's king is in the corner, and black has only it's king.
>>>>
>>>>There's absolutely no way black can win with just a king, but it STILL REFUSES
>>>>A DRAW request!
>>>>
>>>>It just seemed very odd ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>It mainly depends on how you have things set up.  And even if it is set up
>>>correctly, there are 'rules' that have to be satisfied before it will accept
>>>a draw.  IE it has to believe it is a draw.  It also has to get a draw score
>>>back from the search for 5 consecutive moves (3 for GM players) before it will
>>>accept or offer a draw.
>>>
>>>Just giving the position doesn't provide enough information...
>>>
>>>The log.nnn file is also needed.
>>
>>The position provides all the relevant information.
>>
>>It's your problem, not the opponent's to make sure your program behaves
>>reasonably.
>>
>>Asking the opponent to provide internal crafty parameters and logs is not
>>reasonable.
>>
>>Amir
>
>
>Your assumptions are wrong.  The default setup _will_ offer draws.  But it is
>possible that the user has disabled this and not remembered.  The position
>doesn't say a thing, because of the rules I gave.  Crafty has to find a draw
>score 5 moves in a row to offer a draw.  The current search eval has to be
><= drawscore for it to accept a draw, and it won't accept a draw at all during
>the first 30-40 moves of the game.  Based on that, I can't look at a position
>and say whether it should have accepted a draw offer there or not...  It might
>have accepted after 4 more moves...  who knows without seeing what went on in
>the _game_...

This is a logical explanation for the fact that crafty did not agree to a draw
but better rules should tell it always to accept a draw if it has only a king.

Uri



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