Author: pavel
Date: 10:00:28 09/07/00
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On September 07, 2000 at 12:20:48, Mogens Larsen wrote: >On September 07, 2000 at 11:07:09, pavel wrote: > >>I agree fully with this, >>beta-testing is not about playing a bunch of games between computer programs. > >That's not entirely true. It is one aspect of betatesting, ie. to check whether >a program behaves correctly with different timecontrols or under different >GUI's. The games can also be used to tweak the opening book, engine parameters >or against specific programs. Of course 1000 games against the same program at >one specific timecontrol isn't all that important. yes right its not "entirely" true. and I am aware of it , but I guess i didnt wanted to go in to details about it ;) > >>If that so then the guys from the chessbase and rebel can do it themselves. > >I seriously doubt that. It would take a lot of hired personnel to check if every >minor modification to a program is good or bad with some certainty. We're not >talking Microsoft here. no here we are only talking about playing games between 2 programs only nothing, more than that. When beta-testers post their games in the forums, I dont see them commenting about a perticular game (rarely they do)or a set of games ,they just post it and say something like "oh, wonderful games by X software" maybe they just want to share their comments with the author (or the company) of the program only, then they might as well not post games at all. I can get a bunch of games by X software and post it here, without giving my views about it. Doesnt help much....does it? :)) > >>there can be another reason for beta-testers (IMO)-----> >>for example Christian Koch is a beta-tester for "Gandalf" so he is playing a lot >>of games with gandalf against other strong chess playing programs. and then >>posting them in public forums, as a result "promoting" the "gandalf" engine in a >>way to public. This has nothing to do with finding bugs for the programmer. > >That depends on how the betatester uses the games afterwards. Personally, I play >fewer games but I check the games with opening encylopedia's and other programs >afterwards to try and find errors with my limited chess knowledge. And also the >logfiles if I have the time, but not as often. very few people does that (IMO), its time consuming, "somewhat hard", and also needs to use your "head". But I do by all means agree with you that these things (and) more needs to be done to get a general idea about the program, its flaws or even finding possible bugs.... eg, I like detailed experiments of "Enrique" and "Blass uri" this is 'how' a beta-tester should work. > >In the case of "Gandalf", where there is no company involved, games are >definately very important as the programmer can't do everything himself. But I >agree that spreading the word is also very important. More important for some >than others. I am aware of that as far as I know, Volker, Frank Q, Gambitsoft is helping alot :). (which is great) as for "gandalf" spreading the words are deffinately important. hey its a "winboard engine" *grin grin* ;) waiting eagerly for its release !! Pavel > >Mogens.
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