Author: Vincent Lejeune
Date: 15:46:11 12/09/97
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On December 09, 1997 at 18:37:37, Don Dailey wrote: >On December 09, 1997 at 14:55:27, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >>You've got to take computer vs computer games on ICC with a grain of >>salt, since the manual operators can do things to try to influence the >>games. Sometimes the things they are improvements, but other times they >>make the program play an unsound opening it wouldn't ordinarily play, or >>play an overly aggressive move it would otherwise avoid, or they tweak >>the program's tweakable parameters so it is playing in some odd fashion. >> >>And sometimes, when a program is in time pressure, they will simply turn >>the program off and start playing the game themselves. >> >>In my opinion this is not so much unethical as it is unscientific. It's >>not really a computer program that you are playing, it is an account, >>and part of the account is the operator, who has his own distinct >>attitudes about what his role is, and there is no way to hold him >>accountable to anything other than his own sense of what is and isn't >>fair. >> >>The operator in this game told me he forced move 54 (I believe it was >>this move, from looking at the PGN with my eyeball, all of my computers >>are busy now), because "I wanted to see the mate", or words to this >>effect. This disappointed me. >> >>Sometimes other things happen. You get people who don't update their >>notes, so they are saying they are using one thing while using another, >>or their hardware is wrong, or they are an inexperienced operator and >>waste a lot of time, etc. Other operators will change programs in the >>middle of a game, and may not remember what program they used three >>games ago, so it is very hard to know exactly what beat you. >> >>Ferret is capable of beating any other micro program, and who knows what >>else. The reverse of course is also true. >> >>That is the second KNN vs KP my program has had in the last month or so. >> >>bruce > >I never seriously considered playing my program Cilkchess on the >internet >for these very reasons. It's probably a good thing if all you really >want is to get in some games in and find weaknesses, but I get very >uncomfortable with ambiguious results. It's sad, it would be very interesting to see a match Ferret-Cilk ?
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