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Subject: Re: Two mate positions to solve.

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 08:37:56 09/08/00

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On September 08, 2000 at 11:14:45, leonid wrote:

>Hi!
>
>Please solve two mate containing positions.
>
>First is almost from the book. Just changed it a little bit to make it search
>for mate three moves deeper.
>
> rnb3kr/pp3pp1/7p/3q3N/3pN3/Q7/PPP2KPP/R1B1R3 w

                4->   0.23  13.32   1. Nef6+ gxf6 2. Re8+ Kh7 3. Rxh8+
                                    Kg6 4. Nf4+ Kf5 5. Nxd5 Be6
                5     0.23     ++   1. Nef6+!!
                5     0.42  Mat07   1. Nef6+ gxf6 2. Re8+ Kh7 3. Rxh8+
                                    Kg6 4. Rxh6+ Kf5 5. Rxf6+ Ke4 6. Qf3+
                                    Ke5 7. Bf4#
                5->   0.49  Mat07   1. Nef6+ gxf6 2. Re8+ Kh7 3. Rxh8+
                                    Kg6 4. Rxh6+ Kf5 5. Rxf6+ Ke4 6. Qf3+
                                    Ke5 7. Bf4#
                6     1.25  Mat07   1. Nef6+ gxf6 2. Re8+ Kh7 3. Rxh8+
                                    Kg6 4. Rxh6+ Kf5 5. Rxf6+ Ke4 6. Qf3+
                                    Ke5 7. Bf4#
                6->   1.46  Mat07   1. Nef6+ gxf6 2. Re8+ Kh7 3. Rxh8+
                                    Kg6 4. Rxh6+ Kf5 5. Rxf6+ Ke4 6. Qf3+
                                    Ke5 7. Bf4#
                7     4.51  Mat07   1. Nef6+ gxf6 2. Re8+ Kh7 3. Rxh8+
                                    Kg6 4. Rxh6+ Kf5 5. Rxf6+ Ke4 6. Qf3+
                                    Ke5 7. Bf4#
                7->   8.04  Mat07   1. Nef6+ gxf6 2. Re8+ Kh7 3. Rxh8+
                                    Kg6 4. Rxh6+ Kf5 5. Rxf6+ Ke4 6. Qf3+
                                    Ke5 7. Bf4#




>
>I don't know how much this position could take if solved by brute force. When I
>found that 6 moves took already on my program 2 min 15 sec., looked for mate in
>7 only by selective search.
>
> 2rkr3/n1ppp1n1/2q1q3/NN1N1NN1/2NRN3/8/2R1R3/3K4 w



                6     3.28  25.87   1. Nxa7 Rh8 2. N5xc6+ Ke8 3. Nxg7+
                                    Kf8 4. N7xe6+ dxe6 5. Nxe6+ Kf7 6.
                                    N4g5+ Kg6 7. Nxc8 Rxc8
                6->   7.02  25.87   1. Nxa7 Rh8 2. N5xc6+ Ke8 3. Nxg7+
                                    Kf8 4. N7xe6+ dxe6 5. Nxe6+ Kf7 6.
                                    N4g5+ Kg6 7. Nxc8 Rxc8
                7     7.10     ++   1. Nxa7!!
                7    11.11  28.88   1. Nxa7 Rh8 2. N5xc6+ Ke8 3. Nxg7+
                                    Kf8 4. N7xe6+ dxe6 5. Nxe6+ Ke8 6.
                                    Nxc8 Kf7
                7->  31.81  28.88   1. Nxa7 Rh8 2. N5xc6+ Ke8 3. Nxg7+
                                    Kf8 4. N7xe6+ dxe6 5. Nxe6+ Ke8 6.
                                    Nxc8 Kf7
                8    32.20     ++   1. Nxa7!!
                8    54.22  Mat08   1. Nxa7 Rh8 2. N7xc6+ Ke8 3. Nxg7+
                                    Kf8 4. N7xe6+ dxe6 5. Rf2+ Kg7 6. Rf7+
                                    Kg6 7. N4e5+ Kh5 8. Rh2#


>
>This fantasy position I tried to do as accessible for every program as possible.
>Looked for number of nodes in the ply to be never more that 100.
>
>In this position (also created today) I don't know exact number of minimum moves
>that could lead to the mate. I know only that it is between 7 and 8. Was too
>long for me to see this by brute force. 6 moves revision took already 48 min
>(AMD 400Mhz). Mate is solved only by selective search 8 moves deep in 0.1 sec.
>
>Please, indicate as much about all your main parameters as you can. Try not
>forget your program name, hash size, selective or brute force search, speed of
>your computer and so like.
>
>Will be especially interested to know what impact on your search make your hash
>table. I don't have hash in my program to try. When I solved one position
>recently on Rebel 10, difference was spectacular. For 6 moves search, almost 6
>fold. Rebel's hash was 28 M. With other comercial programs I can't see this that
>clearly. They almost never permit to put hash size to zero.
>
>Thanks,
>Leonid.


Done by crafty, hash=48M, machine=PII/400 notebook (Sony).



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