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Subject: Re: initial position again...

Author: Antonio Dieguez

Date: 05:44:57 09/09/00

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On September 09, 2000 at 02:13:19, Ricardo Gibert wrote:

>On September 08, 2000 at 19:05:20, Antonio Dieguez wrote:
>
>>just for fun, can you do a search with your program in the initial position?
>>
>>[D]rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1
>>
>>here is for amyan, unrealistic evals? 1/3 of a pawn just for one piece more
>>developed hum... may be better something a bit exponential?
>>
>>[2] -0.01      87  e2e4 e7e5
>>[3] +0.35     426  e2e4 g8f6 b1c3
>>[4] -0.01    2021  d2d4 d7d5 g1f3 g8f6
>>[5] +0.32    7746  e2e4 e7e5 g1f3 g8f6 b1c3
>>[6] +0.12   24010  e2e4 e7e5 g1f3 g8f6 f1c4 b8c6
>>[7] +0.30   63896  e2e4 e7e5 g1f3 g8f6 b1c3 b8c6 d2d4 e5d4 f3d4
>>[8] +0.16  282830  e2e4 e7e5 g1f3 g8f6 f1c4 f6e4 d2d3 e4d6 f3e5
>>[9] +0.27 1086340  e2e4 e7e6 b1c3 g8f6 g1e2 f8b4 e4e5 f6d5 d2d4
>>
>>just me.

hello

>Theoretically it should be about 1/6th of a pawn. If White is 1/3rd of a pawn
>better than "even", then Black is 1/3rd of a pawn worse than "even" or in other
>words, White is 2/3rds of a pawn better than Black, which can't be right.

no, +1/3 for white means white is 1/3 of a pawn better than black.
very ugly speak this way about chess anyway :)

>With White being 1/6th of a pawn better than "even", then Black is 1/6th of a
>pawn worse than even, so now White is now 1/3rd of a pawn better than Black,
>which is what you would expect. I remember some guy on ICC reported .17 with one
>of the commercial programs, which is consistent with 1/6th of a pawn.

.17 doens't seem rare, i will implement an exponential function for development
and also for king danger patterns. May be the average between x and x^2, or
something like that.

>With the eval oscillating with odd or even depth, you should be getting a ½
>tempo better on odd ply and zero on even ply. You're showing instead about 1
>tempo better on even ply and about a ½ tempo better on odd ply.

hey, in the initial position white plays and wins!
ok I get it but is not so simple.

>All this assumes a pawn is worth 3 tempos, but some would say it is worth only
>2½ pawns. Take your pick.

mmmh...



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