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Subject: Re: Gelfand Position from World Cup

Author: Paulo Soares

Date: 15:46:43 09/09/00

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On September 09, 2000 at 16:26:25, Howard Exner wrote:

>On September 09, 2000 at 16:08:09, Howard Exner wrote:
>
>>On September 09, 2000 at 05:21:56, Paulo Soares wrote:
>>
>>>Your analyses are correct. I read now at KC site that GM Shipov analyzes all
>>>games in real time, therefore he made a mistake on Be8.
>>>This endgame was fantastic.
>>
>>I wonder if this below position is solvable by some programs?
>>bm is Kb7 with the King march over to the kingside.
>
>Here is the correct diagram
>
>[D]3k4/2pP2b1/2Kp2P1/3P2P1/B25/8/8/8 w - -
>
>>
>>It does illustrate nicely the difference between human and machine
>>in their approach to solving certain positions. A human will in a sense work
>>backwards, visualizing that the king must penetrate to the f5,e6,g6 area
>>in order to win. A machine starts from the initial position and starts winding
>>its way through a maze of variations, perhaps hitting upon a winning line.

I believe Rebel Tiger can win this position in
tournament time control(40/2), because the analyses below
were made in a PIII-450, HT=64Mb.
I saw now that Crafty 17.13 solves the position in less time!

Paulo

00:00:00.9	2,22	12	90429	Bd1  Bf8  Bg4  Bg7  Bh3  Bh8  Bg2
00:00:00.3	2,22	12	93246	Bd1  Bf8  Bg4  Bg7  Bh3  Bh8  Bg2  Bf6  Bf1
00:00:00.1	2,22	13	163805	Bd1  Bf8  Bg4  Bg7  Bh3  Bh8  Bg2  Bf6  Bh3
00:00:01.9	2,22	14	369642	Bd1  Bf8  Bg4  Bg7  Bf3  Bh8
00:00:03.7	2,22	15	618733	Bd1  Bf8  Bg4  Bg7  Bf3  Bh8
00:00:04.5	2,22	16	983685	Bd1  Bf8  Bg4  Bg7  Bf3  Bh8
00:00:09.4	2,22	17	1770722	Bd1  Bf8  Bg4  Bg7  Bf3  Bh8
00:00:17.4	2,22	18	3375158	Bd1  Bf8  Bg4  Bg7  Bf3  Bh8
00:00:34.6	2,22	19	6762000	Bd1  Bf8  Bg4  Bg7  Bf3  Bh8
00:01:12.1	2,22	20	14309414	Bd1  Bf8  Bg4  Bg7  Bf3  Bh8
00:02:53.0	2,22	21	35070316	Bd1  Bf8  Bg4  Bg7  Bf3  Bh8
00:05:50.2	2,23	21	69435106	Kb7  Bh8  Ka6  Bg7  Ka5  Bh8  Kb4  Bg7  Kc4  Bh8
Kd3  Bg7  Ke4  Ke7  Kf5  Be5  d8Q+  Kxd8
00:09:38.0	2,24	22	114270400	Kb7  Bh8  Ka6  Bg7  Ka5  Bh8  Kb4  Bg7  Kc4  Bh8
00:28:06.3	3,14	23	304759161	Kb7



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